Stewart Lee

who roughly they should be rounding up.

Yeah, it says things, I mean, it talks about, first it talks about data and so on, you think, well, fair enough.

And then it goes on to national service should be a universal duty, which is odd for a tech company to kind of put out as one of its primary aims, for

Yes.

They've said some cultures have produced vital advances, other remain dysfunctional and regressive.

This is a selling point.

There's a massive footnote we have to put in here.

So who is that?

Who are you talking about?

Yes, exactly.

And it's unfair to make those connections.

It just happens to be the grandson.

Because actually, you know, again, just to be fair to him, I mean, it could be that for most of his time, you know, when he became of working age, he started off thinking, look, people are going to jump to conclusions about my name.

But we have to make clear here, we are not implying that he endorses any of those things.

It's just an unfortunate coincidence that...

There was a battle.

There was a battle.

We ought to get on to the language, because this is a programme about the use and abuse of political language.

Because how they talk about their companies and how they promote them, it kind of says a lot about the assumptions that they work under.

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