Stewart Lee

Yeah.

He didn't think anyone really liked opera or classical music.

He said people liked it or affected to like it because it gave them social standing and was a way of access to the higher echelons of society.

So he was kind of against the Kennedy Center and things like that.

Do you think that on some level, putting cage fighting on the White House lawn is a deliberate attempt to do...

Something that the right-thinking folk would think is tasteless and crass is a deliberate way of writing.

Well, and ideas and understanding.

No.

I mean, it was one of those things, wasn't it?

20 years ago was basically underground sport.

Now it's on the White House lawn.

Yeah.

I also think that putting the cage fighting on the White House law, and it's one of those sort of strategy things, it's basically a bear trap for snobs, right?

So if a Democrat who's been to a good university has seemed to complain about it, then it becomes a class thing, doesn't it?

It's like you're running down this entertainment that the majority of ordinary, decent Americans like.

It's kind of deliberately put there to make them walk into it.

That's a good idea.

I mean, it's not inconceivable that that could happen down the line as well.

In the same way as there isn't a voice for all black people.

Even Andrew Neil.