Stu Gatz

Dan and I were still using at that time Instant Messenger on AOL. You were?

Yes, many times.

Yes, many times.

Donald, do me a favor. Break news right here on this show on ESPN Radio. Don't wait till June. Are you running for office? Are you running for president?

Donald, do me a favor. Break news right here on this show on ESPN Radio. Don't wait till June. Are you running for office? Are you running for president?

I remember how great it felt because I knew and I've always known that I'm sitting next to this pillar of journalism who's going to handle topics like this better than anyone in our industry. So my strategy and the way I prepared for that topic was probably way different than how Dan was preparing for that topic. I was confident. I knew the guy who drove the show. He's got it. He's got it.

I remember how great it felt because I knew and I've always known that I'm sitting next to this pillar of journalism who's going to handle topics like this better than anyone in our industry. So my strategy and the way I prepared for that topic was probably way different than how Dan was preparing for that topic. I was confident. I knew the guy who drove the show. He's got it. He's got it.

He's got good opinions. They're going to be great. You're not going to hear this from anyone else. My job has always been in those situations to think about how am I going to get us out of whatever it is he's going to start and make it fun and make it funny.

He's got good opinions. They're going to be great. You're not going to hear this from anyone else. My job has always been in those situations to think about how am I going to get us out of whatever it is he's going to start and make it fun and make it funny.

I love the entire industry is sprinting away from microphones and Dan is running into the studio.

I love the entire industry is sprinting away from microphones and Dan is running into the studio.

I remember that feeling so dangerous, but I would just say, hey, I'm just following Dan's lead. I mean, he asked me a question.

I remember that feeling so dangerous, but I would just say, hey, I'm just following Dan's lead. I mean, he asked me a question.

Does that shopping cart make it to the Hall of Fame?

Does that shopping cart make it to the Hall of Fame?

Well, he starts getting criticized a bit. Yeah, of course.

Well, he starts getting criticized a bit. Yeah, of course.

But I think this is perfect in terms of how different me and Dan are because his approach was measured. It was from experience. It was from talking to people. I just got on the air that day because I was upset and I'm like, who cares? So Dan is measured, educated. He's given it to you, nuanced, all this stuff. He has the experience, right? He's been waiting for this show his entire life.

But I think this is perfect in terms of how different me and Dan are because his approach was measured. It was from experience. It was from talking to people. I just got on the air that day because I was upset and I'm like, who cares? So Dan is measured, educated. He's given it to you, nuanced, all this stuff. He has the experience, right? He's been waiting for this show his entire life.

And all I was doing was blasting everyone who has ever stood for a national anthem or not stood. And they've been farting, burping, putting in beds, talking to their kids, not paying attention to the actual national anthem, which you find at every stadium every Sunday in the NFL.