Stuart Waitley

I think some of the defenders sometimes get a little bit insular.

You know, here we go again.

I'll just beat my man.

And then above all, I think I'm sure they're working through what the leadership looks like.

You know, what needs to be said between goals.

Because whenever you're watching a game of AFL, quite often the lines will get together after a goal's kicked or conceded.

And it's what would be interesting, what they're digging into there.

What are they talking about?

You know, it's what's next or what happened or what we need to do.

So, yeah.

Yep.

So all these things are in place and, and for the Carlton supporters, it's, it's not new.

So there's no, there's no answers in this conversation.

Um, but it's just, that's the reality of what's happening and what they're working through.

What does it feel like for Michael Voss now?

Yeah, well, I've been through this before about the, the loneliness of, of form and expectations.

When, when expectations aren't met and you're dealing with, uh, successive losses, this is a bit different because they've lost, you know, they've been up for so long.

I went through this in 23, I think we, we had some bad, bad losses and then

One thing as a senior coach, you never lose hope as much as the ridicule is around you and the pressure's on.

I think the day you lose your personal self-belief and hope that you can turn it around, then you're done.