Susan Desmond-Hellmann

To put this into context, we had a flat and two Honda Civics. I still remember this. We gave my dad power of attorney. We sublet our flat and we sold our Hondas and moved to Uganda. I'm laughing in part because I had never been east of Chicago. I mean, this was a pretty dramatic thing to do.

To put this into context, we had a flat and two Honda Civics. I still remember this. We gave my dad power of attorney. We sublet our flat and we sold our Hondas and moved to Uganda. I'm laughing in part because I had never been east of Chicago. I mean, this was a pretty dramatic thing to do.

The two of us. That's the team.

The two of us. That's the team.

That's the team. And Uganda was a place where, on the positive side of things, the NCI had set up a collaboration with Uganda Cancer Institute, where they did some really great things in lymphoma and Burkitt's lymphoma, if you remember those stories. And one of the physicians at UCSF had been associated with that, John Ziegler. So there was a connection to the Uganda Cancer Institute.

That's the team. And Uganda was a place where, on the positive side of things, the NCI had set up a collaboration with Uganda Cancer Institute, where they did some really great things in lymphoma and Burkitt's lymphoma, if you remember those stories. And one of the physicians at UCSF had been associated with that, John Ziegler. So there was a connection to the Uganda Cancer Institute.

So on the good side of things, there was that. And there also was and is the Entebbe Viral Institute. So there was some infrastructure there. Unfortunately, most of that infrastructure had been ruined by the Idi Amin regime not long before we went to Uganda. So when we went there, it was pretty lawless. There were roadblocks you had to stop at. It was difficult to live there.

So on the good side of things, there was that. And there also was and is the Entebbe Viral Institute. So there was some infrastructure there. Unfortunately, most of that infrastructure had been ruined by the Idi Amin regime not long before we went to Uganda. So when we went there, it was pretty lawless. There were roadblocks you had to stop at. It was difficult to live there.

It was really difficult.

It was really difficult.

I would say now that I'm used to being in more safe situations and older and wiser, it was probably not that smart the way we lived there. But we weren't reckless. It seemed dangerous when you were in the car to have carjacking or your money go missing or things like that.

I would say now that I'm used to being in more safe situations and older and wiser, it was probably not that smart the way we lived there. But we weren't reckless. It seemed dangerous when you were in the car to have carjacking or your money go missing or things like that.

He was gone. But when we were there, he made that attempt to come back from Saudi Arabia and go back to Uganda. But it was thwarted. So that was good news. So Nick, my husband, reestablished the sexually transmitted disease clinic and attended in the internal medicine ward. And I like to say I doubled the population of oncologists in Uganda when I was there.

He was gone. But when we were there, he made that attempt to come back from Saudi Arabia and go back to Uganda. But it was thwarted. So that was good news. So Nick, my husband, reestablished the sexually transmitted disease clinic and attended in the internal medicine ward. And I like to say I doubled the population of oncologists in Uganda when I was there.

So, my colleague, Edward Mbidi, who's Ugandan, put all his focus on the pediatric unit, and I put all my focus on the adult unit, which was so many cases of Kaposi's sarcoma.

So, my colleague, Edward Mbidi, who's Ugandan, put all his focus on the pediatric unit, and I put all my focus on the adult unit, which was so many cases of Kaposi's sarcoma.

This is 89, 90, and 91.

This is 89, 90, and 91.

Not yet.

Not yet.