Susan Glasser

I will tell you, I saw this happen in Russia. I've seen it happen in other countries that have lost their democracies as fragile and imperfect as they were. You have to object when lines are crossed because you have at a minimum the ability to slow it down, to obstruct, to gain allies. And Donald Trump and Elon Musk, they're not going to stop because you give them just this one little thing.

They're going to keep going and take something else. You are playing a game against the clock here. And absolutely, it's not our job to predict the future or what's effective or what's not. We're not partisans. The Democratic Party, they screwed things up. They're going to have to have their own reckoning. But we're civil society. That's what it means.

They're going to keep going and take something else. You are playing a game against the clock here. And absolutely, it's not our job to predict the future or what's effective or what's not. We're not partisans. The Democratic Party, they screwed things up. They're going to have to have their own reckoning. But we're civil society. That's what it means.

They're going to keep going and take something else. You are playing a game against the clock here. And absolutely, it's not our job to predict the future or what's effective or what's not. We're not partisans. The Democratic Party, they screwed things up. They're going to have to have their own reckoning. But we're civil society. That's what it means.

And we have to be able to call it out in a clear, grounded, And, you know, unequivocal way.

And we have to be able to call it out in a clear, grounded, And, you know, unequivocal way.

And we have to be able to call it out in a clear, grounded, And, you know, unequivocal way.

You know, Tim, this one is I'm glad you brought it up, because when Peter and I were reporting the divider after Trump left office the first term, we weren't really focused on, well, we should do some reporting about the whole Greenland incident. Like, you know, like many people, it was treated as a laugh line when he brought it up first in August of 2020.

You know, Tim, this one is I'm glad you brought it up, because when Peter and I were reporting the divider after Trump left office the first term, we weren't really focused on, well, we should do some reporting about the whole Greenland incident. Like, you know, like many people, it was treated as a laugh line when he brought it up first in August of 2020.

You know, Tim, this one is I'm glad you brought it up, because when Peter and I were reporting the divider after Trump left office the first term, we weren't really focused on, well, we should do some reporting about the whole Greenland incident. Like, you know, like many people, it was treated as a laugh line when he brought it up first in August of 2020.

And it became public and it was really kind of treated like a laugh line, you know, Trump and his grandiose ways. And obviously that's not going to happen. Ha ha ha. He's really kind of crazy. That was the summer of 2019.

And it became public and it was really kind of treated like a laugh line, you know, Trump and his grandiose ways. And obviously that's not going to happen. Ha ha ha. He's really kind of crazy. That was the summer of 2019.

And it became public and it was really kind of treated like a laugh line, you know, Trump and his grandiose ways. And obviously that's not going to happen. Ha ha ha. He's really kind of crazy. That was the summer of 2019.

Well, then we started doing the reporting after Trump left office and a number of his former White House officials, including a very senior economic official, actually not national security official, mentioned to us. hey, you know, he was really serious about that Greenland thing. And actually, it wasn't a laugh line. And he had brought it up a lot.

Well, then we started doing the reporting after Trump left office and a number of his former White House officials, including a very senior economic official, actually not national security official, mentioned to us. hey, you know, he was really serious about that Greenland thing. And actually, it wasn't a laugh line. And he had brought it up a lot.

Well, then we started doing the reporting after Trump left office and a number of his former White House officials, including a very senior economic official, actually not national security official, mentioned to us. hey, you know, he was really serious about that Greenland thing. And actually, it wasn't a laugh line. And he had brought it up a lot.

And I had even had a decision memo that was circulating in the White House. And we were really intrigued by that. So then when we were doing the reporting for the book, we started asking, you know, everyone we could think of, hey, wait, you know, is it true? Like that he was really interested in this Greenland thing. And we eventually...

And I had even had a decision memo that was circulating in the White House. And we were really intrigued by that. So then when we were doing the reporting for the book, we started asking, you know, everyone we could think of, hey, wait, you know, is it true? Like that he was really interested in this Greenland thing. And we eventually...

And I had even had a decision memo that was circulating in the White House. And we were really intrigued by that. So then when we were doing the reporting for the book, we started asking, you know, everyone we could think of, hey, wait, you know, is it true? Like that he was really interested in this Greenland thing. And we eventually...

pulled on the thread and discovered that in fact, it never became public. But Trump was obsessed for years in his first term with purchasing Greenland. Privately, he was bringing it up at cabinet meetings. We talked to one of his former cabinet secretaries who said they literally were like, oh my God, this is crazy. What is he talking about? And this was years before it became public.