Susan Grau

We are creatures that want to know.

And so we come here for that.

And in that is free will.

It has to be.

Otherwise, we're just robotic.

I think it reveals that we're tapping into that area of our brain.

That is able to click in or connect in.

And we have this ability to actually be in both worlds.

I feel like I walk in both worlds.

And when they utilize these chemicals, they're able to simulate those experiences because it exists over and over in our journey.

We go there, we come back, we go there, we come back.

And we're able to tap into the there, whatever that is, it opens up that area of our knowledge of our consciousness.

It literally opens it.

Now, something like people also say that if you, when you die, DMT takes, or medicines can take over and create, they create the experience.

but they don't bring you the same kind of knowledge, the one-on-one, the gravity of the truth of consciousness, the beauty of the truth of consciousness.

It does go far beyond that with an NDE.

I find, yes, it's similar, but yet an NDE is, it's real, it's reality.

And you're in a different reality completely, spiritually, emotionally, physically, in every way.

So there is a difference, but it does open that pathway.

The lessons that we learn when we're there are similar, but not quite as profound when we take psychedelics.