Susan Miller

You know, we do a lot of stuff together, but whoever invented the five eyes is right.

And we need to keep it going.

I would recommend that they do talk because we've got to keep that door open.

Keep the door open to anybody, you know, his chief of CIA, his secretary of state, his head of the Pentagon, you know, whatever.

Keep all those doors open.

also remember who the ultimate person is going to see the report from that meeting if it's at that high level if it's a lower level person it's you know not necessarily going to go to him but you know the thing is is that when your leaders are talking i'm sure it's already on their mind i'm not telling you anything that i don't think they're already thinking and so unfortunately and as an american that makes me sad

On June 13th, 1985, Rick Ames gave the KGB a list of every known human asset the CIA had in the Soviet Union.

The list had 20 names on it.

Within a year, 10 of those people were executed.

And because of that, we lost a number of agents, assets.

We had known, I didn't know this before, I was too junior, you know, but we, meaning the CIA and the FBI, had known that there was somebody spying for Russia, or for the Soviet Union.

And there was, Ames was one of the, there's usually a list, like here, it could be these 20 people because they all had access to this information.

How do you pay these people inside the Soviet Union when hard currency was illegal there?

Meaning we could not pay them in US dollars.

There's diamonds in the Soviet Union.

You know, there's gold.

And so we would pay them in gold or diamonds sometimes.

Yeah, what a putz.

No, and here's the thing, is that my understanding, again, I wasn't intimately involved in this, but what I found out about this a little bit later, is that we knew we were bleeding some information.

Because when I was in Moscow, we had been losing, once in a while, an asset would get arrested.