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It's great to be with you, Tommy.

It's great to be with you, Tommy.

Well, I think we're starting to get our footing and maybe a little bit of rhythm. Susan Crawford's victory was tremendous. It shows that people are very, very unhappy with what Trump is doing and what Musk is doing. They made it a referendum on themselves and they got their asses handed to them. So that's encouraging. And also great to see somebody like Cory Booker

Well, I think we're starting to get our footing and maybe a little bit of rhythm. Susan Crawford's victory was tremendous. It shows that people are very, very unhappy with what Trump is doing and what Musk is doing. They made it a referendum on themselves and they got their asses handed to them. So that's encouraging. And also great to see somebody like Cory Booker

you know, stand in the well of the Senate for 25 hours. God knows how he managed to do that and beat Strom Thurmond's filibuster record.

you know, stand in the well of the Senate for 25 hours. God knows how he managed to do that and beat Strom Thurmond's filibuster record.

No, I know that's the right question. We're all asking ourselves, right? I have to believe that Depends may have had something to do with it, but maybe not.

No, I know that's the right question. We're all asking ourselves, right? I have to believe that Depends may have had something to do with it, but maybe not.

Exactly. And, you know, and Booker is eloquent and thoughtful and, you know, that's fighting, that's guts and that's vigor. And it's literally physical vigor, which is, you know, kind of what we all need. We need a shot in the arm.

Exactly. And, you know, and Booker is eloquent and thoughtful and, you know, that's fighting, that's guts and that's vigor. And it's literally physical vigor, which is, you know, kind of what we all need. We need a shot in the arm.

We need people to be out there calling BS, standing up and insisting that we're not going to roll over and play dead while Trump tries to steal our democracy and ruin our standing in the world.

We need people to be out there calling BS, standing up and insisting that we're not going to roll over and play dead while Trump tries to steal our democracy and ruin our standing in the world.

You know, nobody elected Trump to rebuild or build an American empire that we never had. I think this is extreme hubris and will not work well for Trump, much less for the United States.

You know, nobody elected Trump to rebuild or build an American empire that we never had. I think this is extreme hubris and will not work well for Trump, much less for the United States.

And, you know, Tommy, all these things are crazy. But, you know, imagine how Canadians are feeling. You know, Canadians who have been our closest friend, ally, partner, longest peaceful border in the world, intimately connected to our economy. Our peoples are intimately connected. And Canadians are pissed. And they're like, you know, to hell with you. We're not coming on vacation.

And, you know, Tommy, all these things are crazy. But, you know, imagine how Canadians are feeling. You know, Canadians who have been our closest friend, ally, partner, longest peaceful border in the world, intimately connected to our economy. Our peoples are intimately connected. And Canadians are pissed. And they're like, you know, to hell with you. We're not coming on vacation.

We're not buying your products. You know, how do you turn on a dime and stab us in the back? And the anger up there and Trump's efforts to try to cow them into becoming the 51st state not only are going to backfire, but it's going to be really, really, really hard to repair that damage.

We're not buying your products. You know, how do you turn on a dime and stab us in the back? And the anger up there and Trump's efforts to try to cow them into becoming the 51st state not only are going to backfire, but it's going to be really, really, really hard to repair that damage.

Absolutely. I mean, Donald Trump is banking on the fact that people are stupid, but people are not stupid and people understand when it hits them in the pocketbook. You know, the estimates range from $2,000 to $4,000 that these tariffs are going to cost the average American family.

Absolutely. I mean, Donald Trump is banking on the fact that people are stupid, but people are not stupid and people understand when it hits them in the pocketbook. You know, the estimates range from $2,000 to $4,000 that these tariffs are going to cost the average American family.

And it's going to hit the people at the lower end of the income scale the hardest, whether it's buying a car, buying your beer. You know, you name it, your vegetables, your fruit, it's going to it's going to be brutal. And Trump ran on a platform of lowering costs, which he seems to have forgotten in his, you imperial rage.

And it's going to hit the people at the lower end of the income scale the hardest, whether it's buying a car, buying your beer. You know, you name it, your vegetables, your fruit, it's going to it's going to be brutal. And Trump ran on a platform of lowering costs, which he seems to have forgotten in his, you imperial rage.

And, you know, people are not going to let him forget that that is what they thought they voted for. And instead, they're seeing their prices go up because of these

And, you know, people are not going to let him forget that that is what they thought they voted for. And instead, they're seeing their prices go up because of these

stupid tariffs that have no clear-cut strategic objective, that they're just getting screwed as he dismantles the federal government and the programs that people rely on, whether they're in red states, blue states, rural areas, urban areas, people of all different backgrounds. This is not going to end well for the American people, first and foremost.

stupid tariffs that have no clear-cut strategic objective, that they're just getting screwed as he dismantles the federal government and the programs that people rely on, whether they're in red states, blue states, rural areas, urban areas, people of all different backgrounds. This is not going to end well for the American people, first and foremost.

quite sadly, but it's not gonna end well politically, I predict, because people really did not think this is what they were signing up for.

quite sadly, but it's not gonna end well politically, I predict, because people really did not think this is what they were signing up for.

Yeah, WTF is exactly the right question. This could not be more reckless, negligent and dangerous behavior. The work of managing the national security of the United States is serious business. And there is nothing serious about the way they are approaching it in the Trump administration.

Yeah, WTF is exactly the right question. This could not be more reckless, negligent and dangerous behavior. The work of managing the national security of the United States is serious business. And there is nothing serious about the way they are approaching it in the Trump administration.

First of all, to conduct highly classified both deliberations and conveying sensitive operational information in advance of military activity, conveying the you know, the effects of the strikes on a commercial app is extremely dangerous. All of that is inherently classified. And if you know the first damn thing about national security and secure communications, you know there is a reason why

First of all, to conduct highly classified both deliberations and conveying sensitive operational information in advance of military activity, conveying the you know, the effects of the strikes on a commercial app is extremely dangerous. All of that is inherently classified. And if you know the first damn thing about national security and secure communications, you know there is a reason why

every senior government official that was on that chat, perhaps except Witkoff, but probably him too, have access to 24-7 secure communications so that the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans can't hack into it. They can all hack into your cell phone, get on your signal, and understand the contents of a conversation. We know that.

every senior government official that was on that chat, perhaps except Witkoff, but probably him too, have access to 24-7 secure communications so that the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans can't hack into it. They can all hack into your cell phone, get on your signal, and understand the contents of a conversation. We know that.

And by the way, Tommy, just to remind people, Who we are talking about? We're talking about Marco Rubio, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee. We're talking about John Ratcliffe, who had been the director of national intelligence. He knows better. We're talking about Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth and Mike Walz, all of whom were military officers and know better. So this is deliberate change.

And by the way, Tommy, just to remind people, Who we are talking about? We're talking about Marco Rubio, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee. We're talking about John Ratcliffe, who had been the director of national intelligence. He knows better. We're talking about Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth and Mike Walz, all of whom were military officers and know better. So this is deliberate change.

recklessness. And then you dig into how they are deliberating. It was the most unserious, superficial, half-assed approach to considering a serious topic, which is bombing Yemen and the Houthis, and the regional security, global security, economic, diplomatic implications of that. They barely Thank you.

recklessness. And then you dig into how they are deliberating. It was the most unserious, superficial, half-assed approach to considering a serious topic, which is bombing Yemen and the Houthis, and the regional security, global security, economic, diplomatic implications of that. They barely Thank you.

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Absolutely. I mean, there's no question that that's what's happening. And everybody seems to get it, except Trump and his closest advisers.

Absolutely. I mean, there's no question that that's what's happening. And everybody seems to get it, except Trump and his closest advisers.

Well, it's important in the normal scheme because you are, as UN ambassador, negotiating and leading on behalf of U.S. interests globally. You're interacting with and negotiating literally every country in the world, and shaping decisions in the Security Council and the General Assembly and other UN bodies that can yield beneficial outcomes for the United States, our allies, and our interests.

Well, it's important in the normal scheme because you are, as UN ambassador, negotiating and leading on behalf of U.S. interests globally. You're interacting with and negotiating literally every country in the world, and shaping decisions in the Security Council and the General Assembly and other UN bodies that can yield beneficial outcomes for the United States, our allies, and our interests.

Now, in this administration, frankly, it's worse than prior Republican administrations where they may disparage the UN. Think John Bolton.

Now, in this administration, frankly, it's worse than prior Republican administrations where they may disparage the UN. Think John Bolton.

and criticize it as a hostile anti-Israel institution, okay, well and good, but under Trump, You know, they seem to have absolutely no interest in, you know, anything, frankly, that gets done in the United Nations. And to the extent that they have engaged at all in the United Nations, they engaged to come in on it in Russia's defense.

and criticize it as a hostile anti-Israel institution, okay, well and good, but under Trump, You know, they seem to have absolutely no interest in, you know, anything, frankly, that gets done in the United Nations. And to the extent that they have engaged at all in the United Nations, they engaged to come in on it in Russia's defense.

in the General Assembly and align us with North Korea and other, you know, adversaries against our allies. So, you know, it probably will be a crappy job in this administration, to be honest, Tommy, because you'll have no influence. You'll have no real role to play. And, you know, they just seem to have nothing but disdain for any kind of useful interactions with foreign countries.

in the General Assembly and align us with North Korea and other, you know, adversaries against our allies. So, you know, it probably will be a crappy job in this administration, to be honest, Tommy, because you'll have no influence. You'll have no real role to play. And, you know, they just seem to have nothing but disdain for any kind of useful interactions with foreign countries.

Great to be with you, Tommy, as always. Take good care.

Great to be with you, Tommy, as always. Take good care.

It's stunning. It's likely the biggest national security debacle that any professional can remember.

It's stunning. It's likely the biggest national security debacle that any professional can remember.

What message does it send to Xi Jinping when Donald Trump says to Ukraine that they are the aggressor, they who are in fact the victims of an invasion, are somehow the ones who started the war, and that the price for ending the war ought to be that Ukraine gives up territory, has no security guarantees, and oh, by the way, give over $500 billion to Donald Trump in the United States for nothing in return?

What message does it send to Xi Jinping when Donald Trump says to Ukraine that they are the aggressor, they who are in fact the victims of an invasion, are somehow the ones who started the war, and that the price for ending the war ought to be that Ukraine gives up territory, has no security guarantees, and oh, by the way, give over $500 billion to Donald Trump in the United States for nothing in return?

If I'm Xi Jinping, I'm looking at that going, great, now's my time to invade Taiwan.

If I'm Xi Jinping, I'm looking at that going, great, now's my time to invade Taiwan.

We have always had an extraordinarily apolitical, professional military. It's one of our greatest strengths as a democracy. We have civilian control, but we have men and women in our military of all backgrounds who are super highly qualified and who serve with honor and serve with integrity and without politicization.

We have always had an extraordinarily apolitical, professional military. It's one of our greatest strengths as a democracy. We have civilian control, but we have men and women in our military of all backgrounds who are super highly qualified and who serve with honor and serve with integrity and without politicization.

And now suddenly Donald Trump is bringing politics into the process of determining who should be our military leaders. That is dangerous. It's unprecedented. And it does not bode well for our integrity as a democracy.

And now suddenly Donald Trump is bringing politics into the process of determining who should be our military leaders. That is dangerous. It's unprecedented. And it does not bode well for our integrity as a democracy.

It's stunning. It's likely the biggest national security debacle that any professional can remember.

What message does it send to Xi Jinping when Donald Trump says to Ukraine that they are the aggressor, they who are in fact the victims of an invasion, are somehow the ones who started the war, and that the price for ending the war ought to be that Ukraine gives up territory, has no security guarantees, and oh, by the way, give over $500 billion to Donald Trump in the United States for nothing in return?

If I'm Xi Jinping, I'm looking at that going, great, now's my time to invade Taiwan.

We have always had an extraordinarily apolitical, professional military. It's one of our greatest strengths as a democracy. We have civilian control, but we have men and women in our military of all backgrounds who are super highly qualified and who serve with honor and serve with integrity and without politicization.

And now suddenly Donald Trump is bringing politics into the process of determining who should be our military leaders. That is dangerous. It's unprecedented. And it does not bode well for our integrity as a democracy.

Jesus, Tim, I don't even know where to start if you go with that question. I mean, I'm profoundly alarmed by the dismantling of the federal government and of vital programs from Meals on Wheels to veteran services to healthcare that so many Americans rely on. I'm

Jesus, Tim, I don't even know where to start if you go with that question. I mean, I'm profoundly alarmed by the dismantling of the federal government and of vital programs from Meals on Wheels to veteran services to healthcare that so many Americans rely on. I'm

Profoundly concerned by the trend of retribution and the effort to undermine our democracy by trying to intimidate the media and law firms and universities and anybody who will stand up to this administration.

Profoundly concerned by the trend of retribution and the effort to undermine our democracy by trying to intimidate the media and law firms and universities and anybody who will stand up to this administration.

Internationally, it's exceedingly concerning that we are essentially abandoning our traditional Western allies in NATO and Canada and Asia and aligning the United States with Vladimir Putin and Russia as we sacrifice Ukraine on an altar to Trump's ego. And at the same time as we are cozying up to Russia, we are placing ourselves in the camp that is the axis of authoritarians.

Internationally, it's exceedingly concerning that we are essentially abandoning our traditional Western allies in NATO and Canada and Asia and aligning the United States with Vladimir Putin and Russia as we sacrifice Ukraine on an altar to Trump's ego. And at the same time as we are cozying up to Russia, we are placing ourselves in the camp that is the axis of authoritarians.

It's not just Russia, it's China and under Xi Jinping, North Korea and Iran, who are all ein Quadripartite Virtual Alliance of their own. So that's extremely concerning. The trade war and efforts to punish our best trading partners and traditional allies and undermine their economy. The effort to threaten Canada and Greenland. I mean, I could go on.

It's not just Russia, it's China and under Xi Jinping, North Korea and Iran, who are all ein Quadripartite Virtual Alliance of their own. So that's extremely concerning. The trade war and efforts to punish our best trading partners and traditional allies and undermine their economy. The effort to threaten Canada and Greenland. I mean, I could go on.

And then we haven't even gotten to Signalgate yet. I mean... Let me summarize. This is a wholesale effort to kill America's democracy and sacrifice our global leadership.

And then we haven't even gotten to Signalgate yet. I mean... Let me summarize. This is a wholesale effort to kill America's democracy and sacrifice our global leadership.

Well, it's not clear to me the extent to which we're countering Iran. I mean, remember Donald Trump, who blew up the Iran nuclear deal, negotiated under President Obama when I was National Security Advisor, and claimed that that would be the way to emphatically prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

Well, it's not clear to me the extent to which we're countering Iran. I mean, remember Donald Trump, who blew up the Iran nuclear deal, negotiated under President Obama when I was National Security Advisor, and claimed that that would be the way to emphatically prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

Die Strategie, den Deal aufzulösen und die sogenannte maximale Druck aufzulösen, hat abgestimmt. Iran ist näher zu einem nuklearen Waffen als es jemals war. Und jetzt ist Trump, du weißt, nice zu Iran zu machen, Iran zu bitten, bitte, bitte, bitte, zu der Negotiationsstelle zu kommen. Und Iran gibt ihnen eine starke Arme. So, you know, that's on one side. On the other side, you've got J.D.

Die Strategie, den Deal aufzulösen und die sogenannte maximale Druck aufzulösen, hat abgestimmt. Iran ist näher zu einem nuklearen Waffen als es jemals war. Und jetzt ist Trump, du weißt, nice zu Iran zu machen, Iran zu bitten, bitte, bitte, bitte, zu der Negotiationsstelle zu kommen. Und Iran gibt ihnen eine starke Arme. So, you know, that's on one side. On the other side, you've got J.D.

Vance revealed in this Signal text chain to be more interested in punishing our European allies than in taking military action against Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen who are attacking international shipping and American warships. So, I don't know exactly where they're coming from with respect to Iran. It seems as incoherent as much of the rest of their policy.

Vance revealed in this Signal text chain to be more interested in punishing our European allies than in taking military action against Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen who are attacking international shipping and American warships. So, I don't know exactly where they're coming from with respect to Iran. It seems as incoherent as much of the rest of their policy.

That was certainly one of the things that jumped out at me about the substance of the tax exchange. But it seemed to be a view shared not only by J.D. Vance and the Secretary of Defense, but Stephen Miller on behalf of the President and Michael Walz. The notion that our efforts to ensure freedom of navigation, which the United States has upheld globally since the 18th century,

That was certainly one of the things that jumped out at me about the substance of the tax exchange. But it seemed to be a view shared not only by J.D. Vance and the Secretary of Defense, but Stephen Miller on behalf of the President and Michael Walz. The notion that our efforts to ensure freedom of navigation, which the United States has upheld globally since the 18th century,

ist somehow merely a favor to our European partners that needs to be repaid in some extortionary fashion. It's extraordinary in itself and very simple-minded and transactional and counter to US national security interests. We have the United States as a major global player, Blue Water Navy, and reliant on Vielen Dank.

ist somehow merely a favor to our European partners that needs to be repaid in some extortionary fashion. It's extraordinary in itself and very simple-minded and transactional and counter to US national security interests. We have the United States as a major global player, Blue Water Navy, and reliant on Vielen Dank.

Mind you, no evidence that any European country had asked the United States to take military action at that time in place against the Houthis. But nonetheless, we're supposed to extort them for payment.

Mind you, no evidence that any European country had asked the United States to take military action at that time in place against the Houthis. But nonetheless, we're supposed to extort them for payment.

It's mind-blowing for several reasons. First of all, those conversations that were captured in the Signalgate text chain that Jeffrey Goldberg published were in so many ways and by every definition classified. There's no doubt about it. Simply the discussion, the deliberative discussion that the Vice President, by the way, initiated in that text chain, which I've studied carefully.

It's mind-blowing for several reasons. First of all, those conversations that were captured in the Signalgate text chain that Jeffrey Goldberg published were in so many ways and by every definition classified. There's no doubt about it. Simply the discussion, the deliberative discussion that the Vice President, by the way, initiated in that text chain, which I've studied carefully.

He initiated a conversation about whether the United States should engage in military action against a foreign adversary. And then it was spun into a bunch of comments and deliberations about the impact on the region, on our European partners, on Egypt. All of that, the deliberation itself, Das ist klassifiziert.

He initiated a conversation about whether the United States should engage in military action against a foreign adversary. And then it was spun into a bunch of comments and deliberations about the impact on the region, on our European partners, on Egypt. All of that, the deliberation itself, Das ist klassifiziert.

Und dann kommt Hegseth mit der Super-Krazy, die Details, die in einer unabhängigen kommerziellen Anwendung der vorliegenden US-Militär-Operationen, die die US-Servicemen und Frauen in Schmerzen verursacht haben, Piloten, Seemann und Frauen. Es ist verrückt. Now that they have done that, they seem to claim that there's no reason for concern or remorse.

Und dann kommt Hegseth mit der Super-Krazy, die Details, die in einer unabhängigen kommerziellen Anwendung der vorliegenden US-Militär-Operationen, die die US-Servicemen und Frauen in Schmerzen verursacht haben, Piloten, Seemann und Frauen. Es ist verrückt. Now that they have done that, they seem to claim that there's no reason for concern or remorse.

And now we have the stories that this is not a one-off situation, as it obviously wasn't because nobody objected to having these discussions over Signal. This is how they conduct the foreign policy of the United States. Anybody who knows anything about national security knows that a signal chat can be hacked and stolen by our most sophisticated adversaries.

And now we have the stories that this is not a one-off situation, as it obviously wasn't because nobody objected to having these discussions over Signal. This is how they conduct the foreign policy of the United States. Anybody who knows anything about national security knows that a signal chat can be hacked and stolen by our most sophisticated adversaries.

And even knowing that, they continue to do it. I mean, remember who's on this chain, Tim. Marco Rubio, who was the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. John Ratcliffe, who did a prior stint as DNI. Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth, who were military officers. They know what is classified. They know how to handle it.

And even knowing that, they continue to do it. I mean, remember who's on this chain, Tim. Marco Rubio, who was the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. John Ratcliffe, who did a prior stint as DNI. Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth, who were military officers. They know what is classified. They know how to handle it.

And if they don't, for more than one reason, they have no business being in those jobs. But this is not a group of neophytes who woke up yesterday. Mike Waltz, same. Und so sind sie, egal ob es um Aufmerksamkeit, Leidenschaft oder ein Versuch, sich von den Präsidentenrechtsvermögen und dem Federalen Rekordsgesetz zu verstecken, Dokumentation ihrer Ausführungen und Entscheidungen.

And if they don't, for more than one reason, they have no business being in those jobs. But this is not a group of neophytes who woke up yesterday. Mike Waltz, same. Und so sind sie, egal ob es um Aufmerksamkeit, Leidenschaft oder ein Versuch, sich von den Präsidentenrechtsvermögen und dem Federalen Rekordsgesetz zu verstecken, Dokumentation ihrer Ausführungen und Entscheidungen.

Sie engagieren sich in negativen, furchtbaren Verhalten, das die Vereinigten Staaten und unsere Männer und Frauen im Uniformat riskiert.

Sie engagieren sich in negativen, furchtbaren Verhalten, das die Vereinigten Staaten und unsere Männer und Frauen im Uniformat riskiert.

Well, I think, frankly, he wasn't qualified to begin with. I don't know what being a Fox News commentator or host has to do with running the most sophisticated military in the world in a department that is the largest employer in the nation. He ran two small non-profits for veterans into the ground. I think there's a real question about his qualifications to begin with.

Well, I think, frankly, he wasn't qualified to begin with. I don't know what being a Fox News commentator or host has to do with running the most sophisticated military in the world in a department that is the largest employer in the nation. He ran two small non-profits for veterans into the ground. I think there's a real question about his qualifications to begin with.

But this was not handled in the serious professional way that significant decisions of national security consequence need to be. Nothing more sensitive than imminent military operations. And he seemed to care less or to be so amateurish that he went ahead and puts that information in a place that our adversaries could have easily taken it.

But this was not handled in the serious professional way that significant decisions of national security consequence need to be. Nothing more sensitive than imminent military operations. And he seemed to care less or to be so amateurish that he went ahead and puts that information in a place that our adversaries could have easily taken it.

Excellent question. So national security decision making proceeds by processes that have been long standing for decades and that we all have followed to date to greater or lesser extent. So let's take this example that we're dealing with. of an imminent military operation, or at least a consideration of one. What should happen?

Excellent question. So national security decision making proceeds by processes that have been long standing for decades and that we all have followed to date to greater or lesser extent. So let's take this example that we're dealing with. of an imminent military operation, or at least a consideration of one. What should happen?

Well, first of all, there ought to be a series of meetings held in the secure confines of the White House Situation Room, which is in the basement of the White House, very secure facility. You can't take in your cell phone, you can't take in your Apple Watch, because those devices, we know, can be hacked and turned into listening devices, for our adversaries.

Well, first of all, there ought to be a series of meetings held in the secure confines of the White House Situation Room, which is in the basement of the White House, very secure facility. You can't take in your cell phone, you can't take in your Apple Watch, because those devices, we know, can be hacked and turned into listening devices, for our adversaries.

So you leave all of that far outside of the Situation Room. You go into the Situation Room and you have a conversation that is prepared and structured. You have an agenda. You have a detailed policy options paper. You have a military concept of operations. You have a diplomatic strategy. You have a communications plan. And the cabinet level or deputy cabinet level

So you leave all of that far outside of the Situation Room. You go into the Situation Room and you have a conversation that is prepared and structured. You have an agenda. You have a detailed policy options paper. You have a military concept of operations. You have a diplomatic strategy. You have a communications plan. And the cabinet level or deputy cabinet level

take the issue to the president for his decision, laying out the risks, the benefits, the challenges. And then what should happen is the president should convene his cabinet-level principals in the situation room, and they should have a discussion in which, or maybe multiple discussions, in which a decision is taken.

take the issue to the president for his decision, laying out the risks, the benefits, the challenges. And then what should happen is the president should convene his cabinet-level principals in the situation room, and they should have a discussion in which, or maybe multiple discussions, in which a decision is taken.

and then it should be carefully executed and preparations and precautions should be taken.

and then it should be carefully executed and preparations and precautions should be taken.

When you take military action like this, we need to make sure that all of the American personnel in the region, who could be the victims of retaliation by the Houthis or the Iranians, are on lockdown and secure, whether it's our diplomatic personnel or our military personnel, that our allies have been thought about and accounted for and that they are not going to be targeted in retaliation.

When you take military action like this, we need to make sure that all of the American personnel in the region, who could be the victims of retaliation by the Houthis or the Iranians, are on lockdown and secure, whether it's our diplomatic personnel or our military personnel, that our allies have been thought about and accounted for and that they are not going to be targeted in retaliation.

There are all these complicated things, Yeah, one more thing on Hegsath, another new story that has come out about him, is I guess he brought his wife to a couple of sensitive Pentagon meetings with foreign

There are all these complicated things, Yeah, one more thing on Hegsath, another new story that has come out about him, is I guess he brought his wife to a couple of sensitive Pentagon meetings with foreign

It is recklessness over and over again. I mean, his wife undoubtedly does not have a security clearance. If she did, it would be completely unnecessary and inappropriate. And even for people that have security clearances and discussing sensitive information with foreign counterparts, they need to have what we call a need to know.

It is recklessness over and over again. I mean, his wife undoubtedly does not have a security clearance. If she did, it would be completely unnecessary and inappropriate. And even for people that have security clearances and discussing sensitive information with foreign counterparts, they need to have what we call a need to know.

You don't just get to have access to information even when you have a clearance. You have to have... for the execution of your job a need to know that information. So it is impossible for me anyway to conjure a rationale for his wife, my husband or anybody else's spouse or partner to be in a sensitive meeting that's not a social occasion with foreign counterparts.

You don't just get to have access to information even when you have a clearance. You have to have... for the execution of your job a need to know that information. So it is impossible for me anyway to conjure a rationale for his wife, my husband or anybody else's spouse or partner to be in a sensitive meeting that's not a social occasion with foreign counterparts.

If it were a social occasion, that's a different situation. That doesn't sound like what this was.

If it were a social occasion, that's a different situation. That doesn't sound like what this was.

Well, you also neglected to mention the rounding up and deportation without due process of Venezuelans, Haitians and others sent to some gulag in El Salvador and then onward in some cases directly back to Venezuela. And now the apparent rounding up of a Russian here legally aber jetzt wahrscheinlich zurück nach Russland verabschiedet wird, weil er die Krieg mit der Ukraine verteidigt hat.

Well, you also neglected to mention the rounding up and deportation without due process of Venezuelans, Haitians and others sent to some gulag in El Salvador and then onward in some cases directly back to Venezuela. And now the apparent rounding up of a Russian here legally aber jetzt wahrscheinlich zurück nach Russland verabschiedet wird, weil er die Krieg mit der Ukraine verteidigt hat.

Es ist ein sehr anderer Marco Rubio, um es so zu sagen, als derjenige, mit dem wir uns alle vorher bekannt waren. Und ich kann nicht in seinen Kopf oder seine Motivationen hineingehen, aber es scheint sicherlich ein 180 von dort, wo er war. Und And where he's been, frankly, all his career.

Es ist ein sehr anderer Marco Rubio, um es so zu sagen, als derjenige, mit dem wir uns alle vorher bekannt waren. Und ich kann nicht in seinen Kopf oder seine Motivationen hineingehen, aber es scheint sicherlich ein 180 von dort, wo er war. Und And where he's been, frankly, all his career.

And I don't know if this makes him at all uncomfortable, but it surely makes those of us watching from the outside uncomfortable on his behalf.

And I don't know if this makes him at all uncomfortable, but it surely makes those of us watching from the outside uncomfortable on his behalf.

Ja, es ist merkwürdig und es ist horrifisch. Ich meine, für die Vereinigten Staaten, die Leute zu fremden Gulagern oder zurück zu repressiven kommunistischen Regimen zu senden, ist etwas, was ich nie gedacht hätte, dass ich es sehe.

Ja, es ist merkwürdig und es ist horrifisch. Ich meine, für die Vereinigten Staaten, die Leute zu fremden Gulagern oder zurück zu repressiven kommunistischen Regimen zu senden, ist etwas, was ich nie gedacht hätte, dass ich es sehe.

I don't know. I'm not sure I would agree with that premise, but I don't know. I think everybody needs to understand. Everybody. I don't care if you're an American citizen, white male, Christian, Republican, straight as an arrow. Anybody in this country who walks the streets needs to fear a situation where the government believes it can pick you up, detain you and deport you without due process.

I don't know. I'm not sure I would agree with that premise, but I don't know. I think everybody needs to understand. Everybody. I don't care if you're an American citizen, white male, Christian, Republican, straight as an arrow. Anybody in this country who walks the streets needs to fear a situation where the government believes it can pick you up, detain you and deport you without due process.

Because even if you're a citizen, they can claim you're not And without due process, you don't have the opportunity to prove that you're a citizen. You don't have the opportunity to prove you're not a criminal. And so people may think that, oh well, these brown people who must be Venezuelan gang members and came here illegally and committed crimes, I don't mind if they get sent to El Salvador.

Because even if you're a citizen, they can claim you're not And without due process, you don't have the opportunity to prove that you're a citizen. You don't have the opportunity to prove you're not a criminal. And so people may think that, oh well, these brown people who must be Venezuelan gang members and came here illegally and committed crimes, I don't mind if they get sent to El Salvador.

We have no way of knowing If those people are anything other than brown people. We don't know if they're non-citizens. We don't know if they came here illegally. We don't know if they're gang members. We don't know if they've committed crimes because none of them had the opportunity to have their cases heard.

We have no way of knowing If those people are anything other than brown people. We don't know if they're non-citizens. We don't know if they came here illegally. We don't know if they're gang members. We don't know if they've committed crimes because none of them had the opportunity to have their cases heard.

And in a world where there is no due process for some, there is no due process for any of us. And we all need to wake up and understand how bloody serious this is.

And in a world where there is no due process for some, there is no due process for any of us. And we all need to wake up and understand how bloody serious this is.

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Das ist eine fischere Gang, Andrew.

Das ist eine fischere Gang, Andrew.

Great, Tim. Good to be with you again.

Great, Tim. Good to be with you again.

Jesus, Tim, I don't even know where to start if you go with that question. I mean, I'm profoundly alarmed by the dismantling of the federal government and of vital programs from Meals on Wheels to veteran services to healthcare that so many Americans rely on. I'm

Profoundly concerned by the trend of retribution and the effort to undermine our democracy by trying to intimidate the media and law firms and universities and anybody who will stand up to this administration.

Internationally, it's exceedingly concerning that we are essentially abandoning our traditional Western allies in NATO and Canada and Asia and aligning the United States with Vladimir Putin and Russia as we sacrifice Ukraine on an altar to Trump's ego. And at the same time as we are cozying up to Russia, we are placing ourselves in the camp that is the axis of authoritarians.

It's not just Russia, it's China and under Xi Jinping, North Korea and Iran, who are all ein Quadripartite Virtual Alliance of their own. So that's extremely concerning. The trade war and efforts to punish our best trading partners and traditional allies and undermine their economy. The effort to threaten Canada and Greenland. I mean, I could go on.

And then we haven't even gotten to Signalgate yet. I mean... Let me summarize. This is a wholesale effort to kill America's democracy and sacrifice our global leadership.

Well, it's not clear to me the extent to which we're countering Iran. I mean, remember Donald Trump, who blew up the Iran nuclear deal, negotiated under President Obama when I was National Security Advisor, and claimed that that would be the way to emphatically prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

Die Strategie, den Deal aufzulösen und die sogenannte maximale Druck aufzulösen, hat abgestimmt. Iran ist näher zu einem nuklearen Waffen als es jemals war. Und jetzt ist Trump, du weißt, nice zu Iran zu machen, Iran zu bitten, bitte, bitte, bitte, zu der Negotiationsstelle zu kommen. Und Iran gibt ihnen eine starke Arme. So, you know, that's on one side. On the other side, you've got J.D.

Vance revealed in this Signal text chain to be more interested in punishing our European allies than in taking military action against Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen who are attacking international shipping and American warships. So, I don't know exactly where they're coming from with respect to Iran. It seems as incoherent as much of the rest of their policy.

That was certainly one of the things that jumped out at me about the substance of the tax exchange. But it seemed to be a view shared not only by J.D. Vance and the Secretary of Defense, but Stephen Miller on behalf of the President and Michael Walz. The notion that our efforts to ensure freedom of navigation, which the United States has upheld globally since the 18th century,

ist somehow merely a favor to our European partners that needs to be repaid in some extortionary fashion. It's extraordinary in itself and very simple-minded and transactional and counter to US national security interests. We have the United States as a major global player, Blue Water Navy, and reliant on Vielen Dank.

Mind you, no evidence that any European country had asked the United States to take military action at that time in place against the Houthis. But nonetheless, we're supposed to extort them for payment.

It's mind-blowing for several reasons. First of all, those conversations that were captured in the Signalgate text chain that Jeffrey Goldberg published were in so many ways and by every definition classified. There's no doubt about it. Simply the discussion, the deliberative discussion that the Vice President, by the way, initiated in that text chain, which I've studied carefully.

He initiated a conversation about whether the United States should engage in military action against a foreign adversary. And then it was spun into a bunch of comments and deliberations about the impact on the region, on our European partners, on Egypt. All of that, the deliberation itself, Das ist klassifiziert.

Und dann kommt Hegseth mit der Super-Krazy, die Details, die in einer unabhängigen kommerziellen Anwendung der vorliegenden US-Militär-Operationen, die die US-Servicemen und Frauen in Schmerzen verursacht haben, Piloten, Seemann und Frauen. Es ist verrückt. Now that they have done that, they seem to claim that there's no reason for concern or remorse.

And now we have the stories that this is not a one-off situation, as it obviously wasn't because nobody objected to having these discussions over Signal. This is how they conduct the foreign policy of the United States. Anybody who knows anything about national security knows that a signal chat can be hacked and stolen by our most sophisticated adversaries.

And even knowing that, they continue to do it. I mean, remember who's on this chain, Tim. Marco Rubio, who was the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. John Ratcliffe, who did a prior stint as DNI. Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth, who were military officers. They know what is classified. They know how to handle it.

And if they don't, for more than one reason, they have no business being in those jobs. But this is not a group of neophytes who woke up yesterday. Mike Waltz, same. Und so sind sie, egal ob es um Aufmerksamkeit, Leidenschaft oder ein Versuch, sich von den Präsidentenrechtsvermögen und dem Federalen Rekordsgesetz zu verstecken, Dokumentation ihrer Ausführungen und Entscheidungen.

Sie engagieren sich in negativen, furchtbaren Verhalten, das die Vereinigten Staaten und unsere Männer und Frauen im Uniformat riskiert.

Well, I think, frankly, he wasn't qualified to begin with. I don't know what being a Fox News commentator or host has to do with running the most sophisticated military in the world in a department that is the largest employer in the nation. He ran two small non-profits for veterans into the ground. I think there's a real question about his qualifications to begin with.

But this was not handled in the serious professional way that significant decisions of national security consequence need to be. Nothing more sensitive than imminent military operations. And he seemed to care less or to be so amateurish that he went ahead and puts that information in a place that our adversaries could have easily taken it.

Excellent question. So national security decision making proceeds by processes that have been long standing for decades and that we all have followed to date to greater or lesser extent. So let's take this example that we're dealing with. of an imminent military operation, or at least a consideration of one. What should happen?

Well, first of all, there ought to be a series of meetings held in the secure confines of the White House Situation Room, which is in the basement of the White House, very secure facility. You can't take in your cell phone, you can't take in your Apple Watch, because those devices, we know, can be hacked and turned into listening devices, for our adversaries.

So you leave all of that far outside of the Situation Room. You go into the Situation Room and you have a conversation that is prepared and structured. You have an agenda. You have a detailed policy options paper. You have a military concept of operations. You have a diplomatic strategy. You have a communications plan. And the cabinet level or deputy cabinet level

take the issue to the president for his decision, laying out the risks, the benefits, the challenges. And then what should happen is the president should convene his cabinet-level principals in the situation room, and they should have a discussion in which, or maybe multiple discussions, in which a decision is taken.

and then it should be carefully executed and preparations and precautions should be taken.

When you take military action like this, we need to make sure that all of the American personnel in the region, who could be the victims of retaliation by the Houthis or the Iranians, are on lockdown and secure, whether it's our diplomatic personnel or our military personnel, that our allies have been thought about and accounted for and that they are not going to be targeted in retaliation.

There are all these complicated things, Yeah, one more thing on Hegsath, another new story that has come out about him, is I guess he brought his wife to a couple of sensitive Pentagon meetings with foreign

It is recklessness over and over again. I mean, his wife undoubtedly does not have a security clearance. If she did, it would be completely unnecessary and inappropriate. And even for people that have security clearances and discussing sensitive information with foreign counterparts, they need to have what we call a need to know.

You don't just get to have access to information even when you have a clearance. You have to have... for the execution of your job a need to know that information. So it is impossible for me anyway to conjure a rationale for his wife, my husband or anybody else's spouse or partner to be in a sensitive meeting that's not a social occasion with foreign counterparts.

If it were a social occasion, that's a different situation. That doesn't sound like what this was.

Well, you also neglected to mention the rounding up and deportation without due process of Venezuelans, Haitians and others sent to some gulag in El Salvador and then onward in some cases directly back to Venezuela. And now the apparent rounding up of a Russian here legally aber jetzt wahrscheinlich zurück nach Russland verabschiedet wird, weil er die Krieg mit der Ukraine verteidigt hat.

Es ist ein sehr anderer Marco Rubio, um es so zu sagen, als derjenige, mit dem wir uns alle vorher bekannt waren. Und ich kann nicht in seinen Kopf oder seine Motivationen hineingehen, aber es scheint sicherlich ein 180 von dort, wo er war. Und And where he's been, frankly, all his career.

And I don't know if this makes him at all uncomfortable, but it surely makes those of us watching from the outside uncomfortable on his behalf.

Ja, es ist merkwürdig und es ist horrifisch. Ich meine, für die Vereinigten Staaten, die Leute zu fremden Gulagern oder zurück zu repressiven kommunistischen Regimen zu senden, ist etwas, was ich nie gedacht hätte, dass ich es sehe.

I don't know. I'm not sure I would agree with that premise, but I don't know. I think everybody needs to understand. Everybody. I don't care if you're an American citizen, white male, Christian, Republican, straight as an arrow. Anybody in this country who walks the streets needs to fear a situation where the government believes it can pick you up, detain you and deport you without due process.

Because even if you're a citizen, they can claim you're not And without due process, you don't have the opportunity to prove that you're a citizen. You don't have the opportunity to prove you're not a criminal. And so people may think that, oh well, these brown people who must be Venezuelan gang members and came here illegally and committed crimes, I don't mind if they get sent to El Salvador.

We have no way of knowing If those people are anything other than brown people. We don't know if they're non-citizens. We don't know if they came here illegally. We don't know if they're gang members. We don't know if they've committed crimes because none of them had the opportunity to have their cases heard.

And in a world where there is no due process for some, there is no due process for any of us. And we all need to wake up and understand how bloody serious this is.

Well, I don't have to talk to counterparts to know, based on my 30 years of experience in this field, how incredibly angry, betrayed, distraught they all feel. You know, we have built a US-led world order that has... Vielen Dank. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung. BR 2018 Untertitelung. BR 2018

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Das ist eine fischere Gang, Andrew.

Great, Tim. Good to be with you again.