Suzette Brooks Masters

and activate your imagination about what future do you want to bring about that you would feel proud to have helped bring about.

And that's why I'm so obsessed with future design, you know, and temporal travel to sort of imagine better futures.

I actually think it has nothing to do with ideology.

And if we could get people out of the ideological polarization, I think there'd be a much greater appetite for doing radically different things.

But we have to get there because as you've both talked about so eloquently, the environment that we're in primes us.

to be ideological, to be in a camp, to be vitriolically opposed and existentially threatened by the people on the other side.

And that doesn't get us where we need to go.

But I just wanted to make a point about the moderation piece.

Yeah, not easy.

So I want to go back to what you said earlier about

How the political class has in many ways abdicated its responsibility to try to bring about better futures for the people that elected them and instead are focused on getting themselves reelected.

It is a system, but you could agree that your time, however short in government, is going to be focused on trying to bring about a better world.

But I think the secret lies in starting to surface a different way

to govern and to do politics, which would be speaking to different issues, speaking to your obligation to do right, speaking about your need to disagree with your party if your party is obstructionist.

Right.

That would be a radical change to not have parties.

That would require a complete reinvention of, you know, of our electoral politics.

Well, yes.

Is that not what we're looking for?

Let's go for that.