Suzette Brooks Masters

And so I think that could be pretty interesting.

It would be a big shift.

But I think it's an organizational culture shift.

And I think it's conceivable that you could do that.

I think the most interesting thing, Manda, about the whole gerrymandering race to the bottom is that it's predicated on an assumption that

that the wave election that brought in Trump will save them during the midterms, which are theoretically the time when the governing party loses.

And because of Trump's immense loss of popularity, I don't know if this is being covered as much in the press, but a number of red states have declined to do the gerrymandering.

Because A, they think it will bite them in the butt.

And secondly, that they do not believe that they will win and that it puts a whole bunch of them at risk of losing their seats.

So their desire to remain in office and hold on to the incumbency advantage.

is coming into direct contact with the federal government's desire to engineer the whole system and bias it.

And so I think that at the end of the day, because of our perversions of our system and the fact that all anyone cares about is remaining in power,

I think there'll be an interesting clash of forms of self-interest that are going to make it really, really difficult for this to to pan out the way the Trump administration has designed it.

Well, I don't know if it's the party issue or something else, but I would say transparency.

I would say a focus on...

family and descendants.

So I think one of the things that I've learned from the folks that do intergenerational fairness work and really are thinking about sustainable futures is

You've got to get out of the present.

You really need to feel the weight of the power that you have to make things better or worse for the people that follow.

And so this concept of the good ancestor.