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Swale Asif

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291 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And that's an incredibly big system, but it actually works. And I think big code bases are sort of similar in that they're a multi-layered system. And if you can decompose it and formally verify each part, then I think it should be possible. I think the specification problem is a real problem, but... How do you handle side effects?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

I think it feels possible that you could actually prove that a language model is aligned, for example. Or like you can prove that it actually gives the right answer. That's the dream.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

I think it feels possible that you could actually prove that a language model is aligned, for example. Or like you can prove that it actually gives the right answer. That's the dream.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

I think it feels possible that you could actually prove that a language model is aligned, for example. Or like you can prove that it actually gives the right answer. That's the dream.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah. And then how do you actually do this? Like we have had a lot of contentious dinner discussions of how do you actually train a bug model? But one very popular idea is, you know, it's kind of potentially easy to introduce a bug than actually finding the bug. And so you can train a model to introduce bugs in existing code.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah. And then how do you actually do this? Like we have had a lot of contentious dinner discussions of how do you actually train a bug model? But one very popular idea is, you know, it's kind of potentially easy to introduce a bug than actually finding the bug. And so you can train a model to introduce bugs in existing code.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah. And then how do you actually do this? Like we have had a lot of contentious dinner discussions of how do you actually train a bug model? But one very popular idea is, you know, it's kind of potentially easy to introduce a bug than actually finding the bug. And so you can train a model to introduce bugs in existing code.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then you can train a reverse bug model then that can find bugs using this synthetic data. So that's like one example, but yeah, there are lots of ideas for how to do this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then you can train a reverse bug model then that can find bugs using this synthetic data. So that's like one example, but yeah, there are lots of ideas for how to do this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then you can train a reverse bug model then that can find bugs using this synthetic data. So that's like one example, but yeah, there are lots of ideas for how to do this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah, it's a controversial idea inside the company. I think it sort of depends on how much you believe in humanity, almost. I think it would be really cool if you spend nothing to try to find a bug, and if it doesn't find a bug, you spend $0. And then if it does find a bug and you click Accept, then it also shows in parentheses $1. And so you spend $1 to accept the bug.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah, it's a controversial idea inside the company. I think it sort of depends on how much you believe in humanity, almost. I think it would be really cool if you spend nothing to try to find a bug, and if it doesn't find a bug, you spend $0. And then if it does find a bug and you click Accept, then it also shows in parentheses $1. And so you spend $1 to accept the bug.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

Yeah, it's a controversial idea inside the company. I think it sort of depends on how much you believe in humanity, almost. I think it would be really cool if you spend nothing to try to find a bug, and if it doesn't find a bug, you spend $0. And then if it does find a bug and you click Accept, then it also shows in parentheses $1. And so you spend $1 to accept the bug.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then, of course, there's the worry like, okay, we spent a lot of computation. Maybe people will just copy-paste. I think that's a worry. And then there is also the worry that introducing money into the product makes it kind of...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then, of course, there's the worry like, okay, we spent a lot of computation. Maybe people will just copy-paste. I think that's a worry. And then there is also the worry that introducing money into the product makes it kind of...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

And then, of course, there's the worry like, okay, we spent a lot of computation. Maybe people will just copy-paste. I think that's a worry. And then there is also the worry that introducing money into the product makes it kind of...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

you know like it doesn't feel as fun anymore like you have to like think about money and and you all you want to think about is like the code and so maybe it actually makes more sense to separate it out and like you pay some fee like every month and then you get all of these things for free but there could be a tipping component which is not like it yes but it still has that like dollar symbol i think it's fine but i i also see the point where like maybe you don't want to introduce it

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

you know like it doesn't feel as fun anymore like you have to like think about money and and you all you want to think about is like the code and so maybe it actually makes more sense to separate it out and like you pay some fee like every month and then you get all of these things for free but there could be a tipping component which is not like it yes but it still has that like dollar symbol i think it's fine but i i also see the point where like maybe you don't want to introduce it

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

you know like it doesn't feel as fun anymore like you have to like think about money and and you all you want to think about is like the code and so maybe it actually makes more sense to separate it out and like you pay some fee like every month and then you get all of these things for free but there could be a tipping component which is not like it yes but it still has that like dollar symbol i think it's fine but i i also see the point where like maybe you don't want to introduce it

Lex Fridman Podcast
#446 – Ed Barnhart: Maya, Aztec, Inca, and Lost Civilizations of South America

AWS is just really, really good. It's really good. Whenever you use an AWS product, you just know that it's going to work. It might be absolute hell to go through the steps to set it up.