T.J. Holmes

So let's go through this exercise.

Yes.

And so then he goes on to talk about his background a bit.

As someone who grew up in a home with domestic abuse, not only would I not have flown on his plane if I had any inkling of what he was doing, I would have turned him in myself and led the call for justice for his crimes, not sweetheart deals.

But even with 20-20 hindsight, I saw nothing that ever gave me pause.

We are only here because he hid it from everyone so well for so long.

And by the time it came to light, with his 2008 guilty plea, I had long stopped associating with him.

Isn't that so interesting that the president of the United States, somebody that savvy, who knows that many people who's around, he can be fooled completely.

And he is flying around with a guy who's a pedophile and doesn't even know it.

Yeah.

I mean, that just shows you how manipulative pedophiles are.

I mean, that is something that many people talk about.

And let's just be honest.

Jeffrey Epstein is probably the most prolific pedophile we know.

And anyone who has covered these stories or unfortunately knows someone or has been a part of this, these men, mostly men, are brilliant at fooling everyone around them and getting parents to trust them.

getting people who love those children more than anything to trust them with their children.

So that isn't that shocking when you think about what we know of pedophiles.

Man, that is, just to hear the president admit that, to say that kind of a thing.

Like, I didn't even see anything that made me suspicious.

Right, right.