T.J. Holmes

But like you said, some of these were they said they considered them to be attempts, practices, hesitation, wounds.

That's still a tough sell.

And I guess this is where, and this is why, is corruption coming into the... I don't know the motivation for the corruption.

You're covering your own butts because you screwed up and now you have to double and triple and quadruple down on making sure nothing comes out.

I don't know.

Or it could be an awful, unfortunate mess in which this young lady was troubled in some way that people didn't realize.

She didn't know any other way out.

I haven't seen any other explanation.

Have you seen a lot about her...

I mean, her family and friends, would they say her state was, her mental state was?

I didn't look, and I haven't heard of a case of anything like this possibly before.

But that's just 20 stab wounds.

And then some of the number, I think later on they came back and added, said, oh, we missed some wounds.

So there was 20-plus in the back of the neck.

Now, they were concentrated.

There wasn't, if she, I don't know, Robes, you make the argument,

If she was being attacked and stabbed, she didn't raise a finger to fight back.

And if she was incapacitated immediately, why stab her in the back of the neck, roll her over, stab her in the chest?

What did you say she was found how?

And for that, that represents hope for the family of some kind that they haven't had for coming up on 20 years, right?