Tama Potaka

And now through coalition engagement, we've decided this is the way forward.

Here's what we're going to do.

And we're going to get rid of green and red tape that's actually making it hard for New Zealanders to do things on the conservation estate.

Well, here's an example, Mike.

Some of the concessionaires, people who want to do things on their estate, that includes...

big businesses, often Māori small medium enterprises, taking eight to ten years to get a decision made to go and take a guided walk or to run a hotel on various parks around the country.

Now, that's far too long in my book, and some concessions actually shouldn't need

a massive long decision.

So, for example, if you're going to collect some water out of a stream, why are we taking weeks to make a decision to say you can go and do that?

Just go and do it.

But the other side of this, Mike, is that we think that conservation can work better for all New Zealanders, and we can generate money, for example, charging international travellers on some of our tracks.

We can use that to then reinvest in biodiversity and looking after birds and other things.

Well, Mike, we just started charging on a couple of car parks over four or five months.

We made about $1.5 million for the dock team.

That's what we're talking about.

Places like Whitehorse Car Park down in Aoraki and Frange Joseph.

People will pay $5 or $10 at a car park.

People will also pay, if they're coming from overseas, $20, $40, $60 to come to some of these iconic places.

Easily.

Yes, there is a strong opposition to doing anything because many people are in the lock it and leave it attitude.