Tamara Keith

She has been, you know, wearing tactical ice gear, going into prison.

People's houses going on raids and, you know, really trying to paint herself as on the front lines of, you know, this broad mass deportation, mass detention policy.

Correct.

I mean, again, I agree with Domenico.

The policies are not going anywhere.

A lot of the people who are writing, signing the documents, doing all those things, they're still in place.

And so what we're just seeing is maybe a change in how that message is publicly delivered now that, you know, there were instances that really soured the base on, you know, how far immigration enforcement is going.

Well, the base and the broader public.

It's

The administration is just completely underwater when it comes to its handling of immigration, which, as Domenico said, should be one of their strong areas.

I just want to note as a longtime White House correspondent that it is pretty wild that Kristi Noem...

at this point, more than a year into the second Trump administration, is the first cabinet secretary to get the boot.

Because in the first term, we were like doing emergency podcasts all the time.

Yes.

So the people who he has surrounded himself with are not people who see themselves as guardrails on his impulses.

They are people who are there to say yes, to help him execute on what he wants to execute on.

And, you know, gone are the people who would wring their hands and and see themselves as containing him.

And as a result, he hasn't fired them, even though someone like Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth certainly had a lot of controversy early on.

Trump stood by him.

Trump is standing by these people in part because they're standing by him.