Tamara Keith

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Odette, this shooting has prompted discussions about whether there should be changes to the Department of Homeland Security standards for the use of force.

So can you just start out here by telling us what those standards are?

And how does that compare to, say, the use of force policies for local police departments or even the Justice Department?

And I think therein lies some of the challenges that are being faced right now, where the type of law enforcement that is being conducted by ICE agents and CPB just doesn't look like the type of law enforcement done by other agencies.

And that brings us to the government funding fight that is happening literally as we speak over on Capitol Hill, where Democrats are demanding changes.

And there could be a partial government shutdown as a result.

Democrats say that they are united behind holding up the funding for the Department of Homeland Security, which does include ICE, to try to extract changes to the way ICE and others operate.

Do you think we could see standards change as a result of that?

Yeah.

And we are certainly watching what is happening on the Hill.

The understanding is that there are negotiations on some level happening now between the White House and Democrats.

We don't know where that is going.

But Odette, I want to go back to where we started today's pod.

And you have been taking the long view in your reporting of these issues, how organizing and extremism evolve over time.

Can you tell me what you'll be watching for as the situation develops?

All right, let's leave it there for today.

Odette, thank you so much for sharing your reporting.

Thanks for having me.

I'm Tamara Keith.