Tangi Utikere

Well, we are talking about the impact that it's going to have on households and on folk.

Now, naturally, there will be people who will benefit less.

There will be people who will benefit more.

No, they're not.

The actual cost of this policy, and it does come at a cost, let's be clear around that, is $65 million a year.

That is a small price to pay to signal that public transport is important and to provide some real cost of living relief to households who continue to do it.

Well, the average is that there are a number out there who will save.

As I say, there will be people who will save more, people who save less.

Here in Auckland, someone who travels and hits the cap at the moment, which is $50, they will save $1,500 a year.

That's $1,500 in their back pocket when times are tough right now.

How many people are going to save $1,200 a year?

Well, a fair number of people who are getting nothing from the government at the moment.

Tony, have you guys done these numbers?

We have done the numbers.

So tell me, how many?

Well, the total cost of this package is $65 million a year.

It is a drop in the bucket in terms of the bigger National Land Transport Fund.

No, I don't accept that.

The feedback that we are receiving right now is that people are calling out for relief when they are doing it tough right now.

Now, the government had a chance in the past.