Tanya Mosley

What are some of the things that are like the top lines on some of those moral codes that one would put into a product like this?

One of the most memorable parts of your piece is

is this experiment called

Project Vend, where Anthropic essentially gave Claude a job running a vending machine in the office.

Can you set the scene?

What did this thing actually look like and what was it supposed to prove?

Did it also threaten a vendor?

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Our guest today is New Yorker staff writer Gideon Lewis Krauss.

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I'm Tanya Moseley, and this is Fresh Air.

This is Fresh Air.

I'm Tanya Mosley, and my guest today is Gideon Lewis-Kraus, a staff writer at The New Yorker.

His latest piece explores Anthropic, the AI company behind the chatbot Claude.

He is the author of A Sense of Direction, Pilgrimage for the Restless and the Hopeful, and the Kindle single No Exit about tech startups.

He teaches reporting at the Graduate Writing Program at Columbia University.

Our interview was recorded yesterday.

I want to get to some of what you discovered that actually keeps researchers up at night.

Some of them are essentially trying to do neuroscience on an AI.

Is that like a correct description when I say that?