Tanya Mosley

As President Trump's Secretary of Education, she's embraced the mission to dismantle her department with gusto, sending half her employees layoff notices within a week of her confirmation.

Helfan describes her style as that of a friendly grandmother wielding a hatchet.

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And my guests today have each paid a profound price on opposite sides of a conflict that has lasted more than a century with no signs of stopping.

One is Israeli.

The other is Palestinian.

They call themselves brothers.

And what brought them together is grief and a decision each of them made about what to do with it.

Ma'u Zinan's parents were murdered by Hamas on October 7, 2023, among the 1,200 Israelis killed that day and the deadliest attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust.

In the war that followed, more than 75,000 Palestinians were killed.