Tanya Mosley

You mentioned how these types of ideas do not work. But I was just wondering in other places and other countries, because I know that Hungary and Russia, I think even Singapore have introduced these kinds of incentives. They like tax breaks and housing benefits. I think that Hungary even offers free fertility treatments. How effective are those types of measures?

Sweden, I was reading about, has a high female workforce participation rate. rate. They also provide robust childcare and parental leave. They tend to have higher fertility than countries where women have fewer rights. What can we learn from a place like Sweden?

Sweden, I was reading about, has a high female workforce participation rate. rate. They also provide robust childcare and parental leave. They tend to have higher fertility than countries where women have fewer rights. What can we learn from a place like Sweden?

Sweden, I was reading about, has a high female workforce participation rate. rate. They also provide robust childcare and parental leave. They tend to have higher fertility than countries where women have fewer rights. What can we learn from a place like Sweden?

Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guests are NPR reporter Lisa Hagen and demographer, sociologist and fertility expert Dr. Karen Guzzo. We're talking about the resurgence of the pro-natalist movement. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air.

Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guests are NPR reporter Lisa Hagen and demographer, sociologist and fertility expert Dr. Karen Guzzo. We're talking about the resurgence of the pro-natalist movement. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air.

Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guests are NPR reporter Lisa Hagen and demographer, sociologist and fertility expert Dr. Karen Guzzo. We're talking about the resurgence of the pro-natalist movement. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air.

The last time I had an infant was 12 years ago. And the price of affordable child care was so high that really it was a matter for many families on whether to work or not, because many families will spend an entire income or close to it just on child care. It costs as much or more as rent or mortgage.

The last time I had an infant was 12 years ago. And the price of affordable child care was so high that really it was a matter for many families on whether to work or not, because many families will spend an entire income or close to it just on child care. It costs as much or more as rent or mortgage.

The last time I had an infant was 12 years ago. And the price of affordable child care was so high that really it was a matter for many families on whether to work or not, because many families will spend an entire income or close to it just on child care. It costs as much or more as rent or mortgage.

Elon Musk has been evangelizing. He's been sending these dire warnings that unless the low birth rate changes, civilization will disappear. He's framing it as the biggest threat to civilization. What do you make, Dr. Guzzo, of tech leaders kind of stepping in? I mean, some techno-pronatalists also argue that a bigger population means like more geniuses and innovation.

Elon Musk has been evangelizing. He's been sending these dire warnings that unless the low birth rate changes, civilization will disappear. He's framing it as the biggest threat to civilization. What do you make, Dr. Guzzo, of tech leaders kind of stepping in? I mean, some techno-pronatalists also argue that a bigger population means like more geniuses and innovation.

Elon Musk has been evangelizing. He's been sending these dire warnings that unless the low birth rate changes, civilization will disappear. He's framing it as the biggest threat to civilization. What do you make, Dr. Guzzo, of tech leaders kind of stepping in? I mean, some techno-pronatalists also argue that a bigger population means like more geniuses and innovation.

Elon Musk has a lot of kids, but he definitely is not a traditional family man. That's something that's also been discussed in thinking about traditional family, lots of kids, the nuclear family, and just this need to have more children.

Elon Musk has a lot of kids, but he definitely is not a traditional family man. That's something that's also been discussed in thinking about traditional family, lots of kids, the nuclear family, and just this need to have more children.

Elon Musk has a lot of kids, but he definitely is not a traditional family man. That's something that's also been discussed in thinking about traditional family, lots of kids, the nuclear family, and just this need to have more children.

Dr. Guzzo, one of the things I'm trying to reconcile, are the thoughts in the past around pronatalism real? along with today's action. So for instance, during the Cold War, population control was seen as a kind of master key. So American elites actually believed population growth caused poverty and that poverty then turned into communism. How does this square with today's movement?

Dr. Guzzo, one of the things I'm trying to reconcile, are the thoughts in the past around pronatalism real? along with today's action. So for instance, during the Cold War, population control was seen as a kind of master key. So American elites actually believed population growth caused poverty and that poverty then turned into communism. How does this square with today's movement?

Dr. Guzzo, one of the things I'm trying to reconcile, are the thoughts in the past around pronatalism real? along with today's action. So for instance, during the Cold War, population control was seen as a kind of master key. So American elites actually believed population growth caused poverty and that poverty then turned into communism. How does this square with today's movement?

Lisa, I was just wondering, you mentioned how Vice President J.D. Vance has kind of echoed these worries. The Trump's White House has been asking for suggestions from married couples to boost birth rates. How empowered does the movement feel with perceived allies in government that all of this will turn into concrete policies? Did they talk about this at all during the conference?