Tanya Mosley

Yeah. So as we just heard so far, California Governor Gavin Newsom has had on a couple of right-wing notables, including activist Charlie Kirk, who is the founder and president of the right-wing student organization Turning Point USA. And I actually want to play a clip from that particular interview. Kirk had just finished an event at the University of Southern California.

And for the first few minutes of the podcast, Governor Newsom talks with him about how his niece and son both know Kirk, and how his son was especially excited that Kirk would be on Governor Newsom's show. Let's listen.

And for the first few minutes of the podcast, Governor Newsom talks with him about how his niece and son both know Kirk, and how his son was especially excited that Kirk would be on Governor Newsom's show. Let's listen.

And for the first few minutes of the podcast, Governor Newsom talks with him about how his niece and son both know Kirk, and how his son was especially excited that Kirk would be on Governor Newsom's show. Let's listen.

That was a clip from California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast with conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Andrew, the big response and some of the criticism, particularly from the left, is that the governor is trying to find common ground versus challenging someone like Kirk, who has said some pretty inflammatory and offensive remarks.

That was a clip from California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast with conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Andrew, the big response and some of the criticism, particularly from the left, is that the governor is trying to find common ground versus challenging someone like Kirk, who has said some pretty inflammatory and offensive remarks.

That was a clip from California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast with conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Andrew, the big response and some of the criticism, particularly from the left, is that the governor is trying to find common ground versus challenging someone like Kirk, who has said some pretty inflammatory and offensive remarks.

It actually appears that the governor is almost deferential. I'm wondering from you, how does this fit into what you've been writing about and researching about the Democrats' battle for the bros?

It actually appears that the governor is almost deferential. I'm wondering from you, how does this fit into what you've been writing about and researching about the Democrats' battle for the bros?

It actually appears that the governor is almost deferential. I'm wondering from you, how does this fit into what you've been writing about and researching about the Democrats' battle for the bros?

Democrats lost support with nearly every kind of voter. But the defection that alarmed strategists the most was this significant jump in young men who voted for Trump or no candidate. And this comes at a time when men are in crisis, as you write, relative to their forefathers and their women counterparts. Men are more likely to fall behind in school.

Democrats lost support with nearly every kind of voter. But the defection that alarmed strategists the most was this significant jump in young men who voted for Trump or no candidate. And this comes at a time when men are in crisis, as you write, relative to their forefathers and their women counterparts. Men are more likely to fall behind in school.

Democrats lost support with nearly every kind of voter. But the defection that alarmed strategists the most was this significant jump in young men who voted for Trump or no candidate. And this comes at a time when men are in crisis, as you write, relative to their forefathers and their women counterparts. Men are more likely to fall behind in school.

They're more likely to drop out of college, languish in the workforce, or die by overdose or suicide. How did the right not only tap into that grim reality, but also offer a space for male grievance?

They're more likely to drop out of college, languish in the workforce, or die by overdose or suicide. How did the right not only tap into that grim reality, but also offer a space for male grievance?

They're more likely to drop out of college, languish in the workforce, or die by overdose or suicide. How did the right not only tap into that grim reality, but also offer a space for male grievance?

Well, relatable is a word that just keeps coming up in your piece. And you write about several notable personalities, influencers, streamers, podcasters. One of them is comedian and podcaster Theo Vaughn, who I personally have known since he was on MTV's Real World Rules back in the 2000s. So for most of his career, though, he has been apolitical.

Well, relatable is a word that just keeps coming up in your piece. And you write about several notable personalities, influencers, streamers, podcasters. One of them is comedian and podcaster Theo Vaughn, who I personally have known since he was on MTV's Real World Rules back in the 2000s. So for most of his career, though, he has been apolitical.

Well, relatable is a word that just keeps coming up in your piece. And you write about several notable personalities, influencers, streamers, podcasters. One of them is comedian and podcaster Theo Vaughn, who I personally have known since he was on MTV's Real World Rules back in the 2000s. So for most of his career, though, he has been apolitical.

Can you talk about the power in that built-in trust through familiarity? Theo has been around for like 25 years. I mean, Donald Trump is a perfect example of this. He built a relationship with Americans as an entertaining figure for decades.