Tanya Mosley

Let's talk a little bit about Hasan Piker. He's a Twitch star. He has millions of followers on Twitch. And for those who don't know, it's a popular streaming platform that started off being for gamers, but it's kind of really blown up and blown out of that as well, like to be much more expansive. What is Piker's background and how did you two meet?

How often is he streaming, too? Because I think that's really interesting, like just the span of time and the frequency.

How often is he streaming, too? Because I think that's really interesting, like just the span of time and the frequency.

How often is he streaming, too? Because I think that's really interesting, like just the span of time and the frequency.

And you have an example of that. Like, you came to his door. You visited him. And you kind of saw this happen in real time.

And you have an example of that. Like, you came to his door. You visited him. And you kind of saw this happen in real time.

And you have an example of that. Like, you came to his door. You visited him. And you kind of saw this happen in real time.

He is one of the few left-leaning stars on Twitch. Why do you think he's successful? And I should say he kicks off the thesis of your article. Like, what did you find most interesting about him as it relates to trying to lure young men who have gone MAGA to the left?

He is one of the few left-leaning stars on Twitch. Why do you think he's successful? And I should say he kicks off the thesis of your article. Like, what did you find most interesting about him as it relates to trying to lure young men who have gone MAGA to the left?

He is one of the few left-leaning stars on Twitch. Why do you think he's successful? And I should say he kicks off the thesis of your article. Like, what did you find most interesting about him as it relates to trying to lure young men who have gone MAGA to the left?

Okay. I want to actually play a clip of Piker. He's talking about California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast in this clip. Let's listen.

Okay. I want to actually play a clip of Piker. He's talking about California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast in this clip. Let's listen.

Okay. I want to actually play a clip of Piker. He's talking about California Governor Gavin Newsom's new podcast in this clip. Let's listen.

OK, that was streamer Hassan Piker talking about California Governor Newsom's new podcast. And Andrew, one of the interesting things he says is that Democrats don't need to focus their attention on podcasting, but on addressing the needs of everyday people. And then he makes the point to say they should showcase the ways the Republicans are not helping people. Well, that one way. Yeah.

OK, that was streamer Hassan Piker talking about California Governor Newsom's new podcast. And Andrew, one of the interesting things he says is that Democrats don't need to focus their attention on podcasting, but on addressing the needs of everyday people. And then he makes the point to say they should showcase the ways the Republicans are not helping people. Well, that one way. Yeah.

OK, that was streamer Hassan Piker talking about California Governor Newsom's new podcast. And Andrew, one of the interesting things he says is that Democrats don't need to focus their attention on podcasting, but on addressing the needs of everyday people. And then he makes the point to say they should showcase the ways the Republicans are not helping people. Well, that one way. Yeah.

I think there's a bunch of stuff going on here. I think it's a really important set of issues. So when someone like Hassan Piker says you can't podcast your way out of this problem if you're the Democrats. Yeah.

I think there's a bunch of stuff going on here. I think it's a really important set of issues. So when someone like Hassan Piker says you can't podcast your way out of this problem if you're the Democrats. Yeah.

I think there's a bunch of stuff going on here. I think it's a really important set of issues. So when someone like Hassan Piker says you can't podcast your way out of this problem if you're the Democrats. Yeah.

Let's take a short break and we'll get back to this part of the conversation. If you're just joining us, my guest is Andrew Marantz, a staff writer for The New Yorker. And we're talking about his latest piece, The Battle for the Bros, which is a look at why many young men in America have gone MAGA and the battle on the left to bring them back. This is Fresh Air.