Tanya Mosley

And Gideon, welcome to Fresh Air.

Let's get started by talking about the latest news.

We learned last week that the military may have used anthropics tool CLAWD during the operation that captured Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro.

And reportedly they used it to process intelligence and analyze satellite imagery and things like that to support real-time decision-making.

What is anthropics usage guidelines?

What do they say about its use for violence or surveillance?

The Wall Street Journal said,

is also reporting that Claude was deployed through Anthropic's partnership with the data firm Palantir Technologies, which you have done quite a bit of reporting on.

And we know that Palantir works extensively with the Pentagon.

What can you tell us about their relationship?

And I guess I just wonder, is this a version of that tension that you actually even expected, basically a standoff with the Pentagon?

Let's get into your reporting.

You went inside of Anthropix headquarters in San Francisco.

What was your first impression walking through that door?

The founding of Anthropic, the story behind it is really interesting in light of the latest developments with its relationship with the government and the military.

Because initially they were people who set out to resist corrupting power.

They were founded in 2021 by two siblings who left OpenAI.

because they felt that Sam Altman in particular was prioritizing commercial dominance over safety.

Can you briefly share their ethos, Anthropic's purpose?

Because I think it's interesting how they've gone from company to company with these altruistic ideas and thoughts about really creating something that's good for humanity.