Tanya Mosley

Yes, they're two very different things. But ultimately, could the administration get what it wants through that second action?

Yes, they're two very different things. But ultimately, could the administration get what it wants through that second action?

Yes, they're two very different things. But ultimately, could the administration get what it wants through that second action?

It's pretty interesting that Linda McMahon has taken this role as the head of the Department of Education to dismantle it. Can you kind of give us a sense of is she working herself out of a job? Is she there just for that explicit purpose? What can you tell us about her?

It's pretty interesting that Linda McMahon has taken this role as the head of the Department of Education to dismantle it. Can you kind of give us a sense of is she working herself out of a job? Is she there just for that explicit purpose? What can you tell us about her?

It's pretty interesting that Linda McMahon has taken this role as the head of the Department of Education to dismantle it. Can you kind of give us a sense of is she working herself out of a job? Is she there just for that explicit purpose? What can you tell us about her?

It's also pretty interesting because when Betsy DeVos was sworn in, it was pretty clear – her ideology around education. I mean, she was just such a big proponent of school choice. With McMahon, what did she indicate during her confirmation hearings would be sort of her focus around education, understanding her background?

It's also pretty interesting because when Betsy DeVos was sworn in, it was pretty clear – her ideology around education. I mean, she was just such a big proponent of school choice. With McMahon, what did she indicate during her confirmation hearings would be sort of her focus around education, understanding her background?

It's also pretty interesting because when Betsy DeVos was sworn in, it was pretty clear – her ideology around education. I mean, she was just such a big proponent of school choice. With McMahon, what did she indicate during her confirmation hearings would be sort of her focus around education, understanding her background?

Which was the New York Times, right, by Nicole Hannah-Jones. Exactly.

Which was the New York Times, right, by Nicole Hannah-Jones. Exactly.

Which was the New York Times, right, by Nicole Hannah-Jones. Exactly.

In fact, it's banned on the state and local level in many places.

In fact, it's banned on the state and local level in many places.

In fact, it's banned on the state and local level in many places.

Our guest today is Washington Post national education writer Laura Meckler. On Tuesday, the Education Department announced it was firing more than 1,300 department workers. We'll be right back after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.

Our guest today is Washington Post national education writer Laura Meckler. On Tuesday, the Education Department announced it was firing more than 1,300 department workers. We'll be right back after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.

Our guest today is Washington Post national education writer Laura Meckler. On Tuesday, the Education Department announced it was firing more than 1,300 department workers. We'll be right back after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.

Laura, I want to talk a little bit about some of the actions of DOGE. That's the Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk. We see that dismantling the education department is part of a larger effort by DOGE to streamline the government.

Laura, I want to talk a little bit about some of the actions of DOGE. That's the Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk. We see that dismantling the education department is part of a larger effort by DOGE to streamline the government.