Tanya Mosley

You know, Dr. Martin Luther King's daughter, Bernice King, said that she's glad Inauguration Day happens to fall on MLK Day because it means that her dad is still speaking to us. And I want to ask both of you what you're reflecting on as we watch President-elect Donald Trump become the 47th president of the United States. I'll start with you, Tressie.

You know, Dr. Martin Luther King's daughter, Bernice King, said that she's glad Inauguration Day happens to fall on MLK Day because it means that her dad is still speaking to us. And I want to ask both of you what you're reflecting on as we watch President-elect Donald Trump become the 47th president of the United States. I'll start with you, Tressie.

Eddie, what do you have to say to that? I'm really struck by the contradicting but complementary ideas and being able to merge those two. I think that's really going to be a big basis of our conversation. Your thoughts, Eddie?

Eddie, what do you have to say to that? I'm really struck by the contradicting but complementary ideas and being able to merge those two. I think that's really going to be a big basis of our conversation. Your thoughts, Eddie?

Eddie, what do you have to say to that? I'm really struck by the contradicting but complementary ideas and being able to merge those two. I think that's really going to be a big basis of our conversation. Your thoughts, Eddie?

You know, one of the things that I've been thinking about in the context of this moment is how we've been struggling with MLK's legacy, really. I'd actually say for all of my lifetime, we seem to have like this collective amnesia about MLK. how vicious and brutal that time period before his assassination was and how he was vilified.

You know, one of the things that I've been thinking about in the context of this moment is how we've been struggling with MLK's legacy, really. I'd actually say for all of my lifetime, we seem to have like this collective amnesia about MLK. how vicious and brutal that time period before his assassination was and how he was vilified.

You know, one of the things that I've been thinking about in the context of this moment is how we've been struggling with MLK's legacy, really. I'd actually say for all of my lifetime, we seem to have like this collective amnesia about MLK. how vicious and brutal that time period before his assassination was and how he was vilified.

And Tressie, you've been thinking about how bluntly President Trump and the GOP have over the years kind of co-opted King the Martyr when you say that they would have hated King the Organizer. Can you say more about that?

And Tressie, you've been thinking about how bluntly President Trump and the GOP have over the years kind of co-opted King the Martyr when you say that they would have hated King the Organizer. Can you say more about that?

And Tressie, you've been thinking about how bluntly President Trump and the GOP have over the years kind of co-opted King the Martyr when you say that they would have hated King the Organizer. Can you say more about that?

I really want to sit with the fact that you talk about the depths of despair that MLK's in during 66, 67, and 68, before he was assassinated. There's actually an interview that he did with Mike Wallace for CBS News in 66, and I want to play an excerpt from that. And the two of them are talking about King's belief in nonviolent resistance. Let's listen.

I really want to sit with the fact that you talk about the depths of despair that MLK's in during 66, 67, and 68, before he was assassinated. There's actually an interview that he did with Mike Wallace for CBS News in 66, and I want to play an excerpt from that. And the two of them are talking about King's belief in nonviolent resistance. Let's listen.

I really want to sit with the fact that you talk about the depths of despair that MLK's in during 66, 67, and 68, before he was assassinated. There's actually an interview that he did with Mike Wallace for CBS News in 66, and I want to play an excerpt from that. And the two of them are talking about King's belief in nonviolent resistance. Let's listen.

That was Dr. King talking with Mike Wallace in 1966. And of course, we were calling ourselves Negro back then. I also want to make that note. You know, Peniel Joseph has done some excellent writing about MLK's belief in nonviolent action. up against Malcolm X's philosophy of by any means necessary. He actually describes King and Malcolm X's revolutionary sides of the same coin.

That was Dr. King talking with Mike Wallace in 1966. And of course, we were calling ourselves Negro back then. I also want to make that note. You know, Peniel Joseph has done some excellent writing about MLK's belief in nonviolent action. up against Malcolm X's philosophy of by any means necessary. He actually describes King and Malcolm X's revolutionary sides of the same coin.

That was Dr. King talking with Mike Wallace in 1966. And of course, we were calling ourselves Negro back then. I also want to make that note. You know, Peniel Joseph has done some excellent writing about MLK's belief in nonviolent action. up against Malcolm X's philosophy of by any means necessary. He actually describes King and Malcolm X's revolutionary sides of the same coin.

And how the Black Lives Matter movement in 2020 actually amplified that and brought that idea into full view. Now we are several years away from 2020, what folks were calling a racial reckoning. And Tressie, you told me that you get the sense that a big issue for many Black people in despair at this moment is that they cannot process the uneven successes of social movements like BLM.

And how the Black Lives Matter movement in 2020 actually amplified that and brought that idea into full view. Now we are several years away from 2020, what folks were calling a racial reckoning. And Tressie, you told me that you get the sense that a big issue for many Black people in despair at this moment is that they cannot process the uneven successes of social movements like BLM.

And how the Black Lives Matter movement in 2020 actually amplified that and brought that idea into full view. Now we are several years away from 2020, what folks were calling a racial reckoning. And Tressie, you told me that you get the sense that a big issue for many Black people in despair at this moment is that they cannot process the uneven successes of social movements like BLM.