Tara Brown

And as soon as they were ensnared, then that was the process.

They would, you know, go up to his massage room and massage him.

He would invariably abuse them or assault them in some way.

But they're also, also what was at play was a,

a game of offering, of sort of getting close emotionally in this process.

So these girls would reveal their dreams.

You know, one might want to be a musician, one might want to be a professional masseuse, one might want to be a ballerina.

And what Jeffrey Epstein dangled was that opportunity.

He did.

And he offered the bait to many others and he always kept it alive.

It was always something to come back for.

And I don't know, you know, it's a very difficult thing to explain because

And I'm not the best person to explain it, but the pull that he used was very clever and it robbed the women and girls of real choices, I think.

It made them feel complicit in what was going on.

Yes, and, you know, some girls brought dozens of girls and they live with the guilt of that today.

That's a good question, Michelle, and I'd be lying if I knew the answer to that.

I'm just trying to think of the dates because there's some suggestions that he was abusing girls as early as 1985.

But I think that was before they met.

Yeah.

And certainly the tendencies to sort of be inappropriate around young women was evidenced by people at the school that he taught at, Dalton, in New York City, an incredibly prestigious school.