Tara Brown

But he...

He kind of ruined the nest a bit there by overspending and abusing his expense account and allegations of being involved in insider trading, or at least being investigated or questioned about it to begin with.

But then again, that only kind of stopped him.

They didn't get rid of him.

They said, right, well, you've been a very naughty boy, so we're suggesting that you be suspended for a while and you get fined.

And he goes, well, no thanks.

I'll just, you know, set up my own shop, which he did and then continued to work with Bear Stearns and

and lean on those connections he made.

Yeah, I guess the bit that I find difficult to comprehend is how those steps lead to such wealth and such influence.

And I guess that speaks to the...

the craft of the person that he was able to – he just sort of seemed to have a play going on all the time.

Well, it's a theory at this point.

And in fact, while that theory is being discussed,

very popular, there doesn't yet seem to be any evidence of that.

Certainly a sex trafficking ring, yes, but in terms of blackmailing influential people,

I don't know that you can say it didn't happen, but so far there's no evidence it did.

There was a hint of blackmailing of Bill Gates around an alleged affair.

So there seemed to be a tendency, but maybe it was more about calling in favours.

I'm not, I really don't know.

Well, I think it starts, again, it has parallels with how he was able to sexually abuse so many young people.