Tara Palmieri

And we need to, and here's like the pastor term.

So just hang on, Don, we need to, and here's the word repent or turn around.

And I think that's a lot of what is happening in our moment right now, particularly in American history.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, first of all, this is probably a bold statement for maybe some of your listeners.

I don't use that language, God uses people.

I don't think God uses anyone.

And if anyone's ever been used, you know what it feels like to be used.

So let me be very clear.

Trump uses people.

God doesn't use people.

Now, God has...

co-conspirators and partners and i believe the divine is very much so present in all things that we do i don't believe there is a place where the divine is not however i want to be very clear with the language because if you've ever been used you know how that feels the reality is is i don't believe god is using anyone and i don't believe god is using trump i believe trump is using god

And I believe that's what's happening in our moment right now, even with this movement of Christian nationalism that you see.

It is a co-opting of the name of Jesus, the ideas of Jesus, and it is slapping on a logo to a political movement that is all about domination, white supremacy, and misogyny.

And this is...

This is a moment where, again, you are seeing a visible, actual incarnation of a movement that opposes the way of Jesus.

I've said this a hundred times, Don, but just because it has the name of Christ doesn't mean it is the way of Christ.

There are lots of things that are happening right now that bear the name of Christ.

But it is not the way of Christ.