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Tara Shine

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131 total appearances

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Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

One would hope, unfortunately, this story is about the fact that we're actually unprepared for the next pandemic because we haven't got it together at a global level to agree on how we're going to collaborate in the next pandemic.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

So there will be another pandemic.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

Question is, can we learn and do better than the last time?

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And the last time, although it was awful for all of us, looked at globally, it was most awful for people internationally.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

in poorer countries.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And so it really increased inequities and inequalities in the world.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And so what is trying to be agreed now is a system to more equitably share information, genetic information, but also the benefits like the vaccines that will be needed in the next pandemic.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And basically the world is a bit stuck on agreeing all of that.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

It's a real north-south divide.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

Reading about this really reminded me of the climate negotiations.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

So the developed countries on one side are quite keen to hang on, if you like, to their preferential access to the vaccines, which ultimately are developed in the north, which is where all the labs are.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

But in order to create those, they have to get access to the pathogens and the genetic material which comes from all over the world, including the global south.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And so what they're trying to do is create a system that is going to be fairer in the way that we provide access to these pathogens and develop and share access to the solutions.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And although an initial kind of accord was agreed back in May 2025, it was only agreed because they fudged this issue of pathogen access and benefit sharing.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

They stuck it into an annex and said they'd come back to it later.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

They haven't been able to agree it.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

And then on the 1st of May, they've actually had to push it into the next session in Geneva under the WHO.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

So it continues on into the month of July with the two like two amazing ladies leading this process.

Futureproof with Jonathan McCrea
What is ‘Forensic Botany’?

Ellen Johnson, certainly former president of Liberia and Helen Clark, former president of New Zealand, are the two at the helm of this trying to steer the countries of the world to an agreement.

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