Tara Shine

And yeah, and it's still going on.

People are still getting this procedure all the time.

And this is what they say, that what this shows is that there are embedded practices in the orthopedic professional community that are based on strong biological rationale rather than scientific rigor.

So it makes sense that if you've got a locked knee or a catching knee, that there is some physical thing in the way.

They call it a, you know, like it's a mechanical blockage, a mechanical problem.

Yeah.

And so they want them to go in and take that bit of torn meniscus out so that your knee works properly again.

And because that all seems so completely logical, on and on we keep going and doing it, even though what this study shows and all the follow-ups to it and all the reviews of it is that there is no difference between having the surgery and not having the surgery.

It's not insignificant.

Yeah.

And it seems very rigorous in how they conducted it.

They say that one of the key problems is, is aging.

Okay.

But they're, they, the people that they, that were the patients were between 35 and 65.

But yeah, quite often it's, it's just age, but it does appear in athletes like yourself, obviously Jonathan as well, that could be the issue.

That could be the issue.

But not only does it not make it better, it can also make you more likely to have problems like osteoarthritis.

So having the surgery makes you more likely to get osteoarthritis.

So thanks, Clare.

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