Tarana Burke

Because I was such a bad kid.

And really, I was, I mean, I probably did little things, but I tried to be as good as possible.

I got all good grades.

I ran track and I played my sports and I was always on the honor roll.

I tried to do everything else right because this part of my life was so bad.

And I thought, God is going to kill me one day because if I keep doing all this bad stuff, you know?

And so...

Part of what the book is about is examining grace and how I just feel like grace is utilitarian in so many ways.

And we just don't use it, right?

And the people who need grace the most often get it the least and who are asked to give it the most, right?

Yeah.

But you think about how grace is disseminated, even if not in the Christian sense, because I'm not writing the book from a Christian standpoint.

It's talking about the idea of grace, whether it's secular or non-secular.

The people who are asked to give grace the most, usually the people who need it more.

And I think, especially when we talk about movements and liberation and

even in this time period, right?

It's just, I don't believe that we can have a politic of liberation without a politic of grace.

And I use the word politic deliberately because I think we throw around words like hope and love and even grace as like throwaway words, right?

But I think they are drivers in our life.