Taylor Kitsch

Trying to root him emotionally to those circumstances that were so foreign, like the emotional beats of like, I just didn't understand it.

I didn't understand how someone could do what he did.

And then he was very woe is me.

Like he played the victim incredibly manipulatively well.

And I would always say he's like a great coach and he would, a great coach would be like with you, he could train you and push certain buttons, but then he'll do something totally different with someone else and incredibly manipulative.

So I think just trying to root that and understand, I don't think I'll ever understand some of the actions, obviously, to that level, like how someone can do that.

But it is all out of fear and insecurity and trauma.

Like that part of it, I did understand.

And memorizing the Bible as a defense mechanism.

Because when he's with, there was over 20 theologians that would get on the call with him.

And I listened to Child Protective Service calls, obviously all the Nesner calls, which was played by Michael Shannon, who's amazing.

And, uh, and every time he got his back to the wall and they had a point or had something or had a level up on him, he would go right into Bible speak, which nobody could keep up with him on.

So he would gain that upper hand.

And I would just go into a fucking dialogue about a dragon with one eye is about to come and show its face and bear its teeth and take the children.

Like, what the fuck do you say to that?

If you're on the call and you're trying to have a rational conversation of like, let the children out.

We want these kids out.

And he goes, right.

And he just goes into this Bible speak.

You're like, there's no real rebuttal to that.