Taylor Lorenz

I don't think that even Elon realized how he would be radicalized at that point. And I, I, this is something that bothers me so much about Grimes discourse specifically on the internet is I just think that love is complicated and different people give each other different things. Because people will be like, well, how can you be in a relationship with somebody that you politically disagree with?

I don't think that even Elon realized how he would be radicalized at that point. And I, I, this is something that bothers me so much about Grimes discourse specifically on the internet is I just think that love is complicated and different people give each other different things. Because people will be like, well, how can you be in a relationship with somebody that you politically disagree with?

Or how can you be in a relationship with somebody that's like a bigot? As you mentioned, Kat, a lot of times these people don't start as bigots. If you knew they were a bigot, you wouldn't have gotten in that relationship, presumably. But sometimes you are with somebody and then you realize their beliefs have evolved. Or there are even people that I...

Or how can you be in a relationship with somebody that's like a bigot? As you mentioned, Kat, a lot of times these people don't start as bigots. If you knew they were a bigot, you wouldn't have gotten in that relationship, presumably. But sometimes you are with somebody and then you realize their beliefs have evolved. Or there are even people that I...

care about deeply that were there for me during like really critical parts of my life that I will always like care about and value that ultimately I realized they have like crazy and terrible opinions on things. And I think if you have a kid with someone too, like the sentiments change and everything.

care about deeply that were there for me during like really critical parts of my life that I will always like care about and value that ultimately I realized they have like crazy and terrible opinions on things. And I think if you have a kid with someone too, like the sentiments change and everything.

And I mean, this is why, and I hate too that so many women, because so many women and more progressive women too are stuck with more bigoted men. Like I feel like we hear about that a lot, at least rather than the other way around. And the woman is chastised. And it's always like, how could you be with this monster? How could you do this?

And I mean, this is why, and I hate too that so many women, because so many women and more progressive women too are stuck with more bigoted men. Like I feel like we hear about that a lot, at least rather than the other way around. And the woman is chastised. And it's always like, how could you be with this monster? How could you do this?

And it's like, you don't know what they're getting from that relationship. You don't know. And yes, it would be great to have a moral high ground and all this stuff. But it's just like life is so much more complicated and messy than that. And human beings are more complicated. And even though you're right, he probably was never a leftist in any sense of the word. He's always been a union buster.

And it's like, you don't know what they're getting from that relationship. You don't know. And yes, it would be great to have a moral high ground and all this stuff. But it's just like life is so much more complicated and messy than that. And human beings are more complicated. And even though you're right, he probably was never a leftist in any sense of the word. He's always been a union buster.

Billionaires are inherently, I would say, pretty evil. But I do think that he was a different person in 2018 than he is now.

Billionaires are inherently, I would say, pretty evil. But I do think that he was a different person in 2018 than he is now.

Also, it's like if you're with somebody like that, who's like a narcissist or the love-loving stuff, you always want to get back to that point. You always believe, I think, that that is the person that they truly are. And this is just some aberrant behavior, but like, hey, just get back. Why can't this man return to the man that I knew? And as you said, it was always a mirage.

Also, it's like if you're with somebody like that, who's like a narcissist or the love-loving stuff, you always want to get back to that point. You always believe, I think, that that is the person that they truly are. And this is just some aberrant behavior, but like, hey, just get back. Why can't this man return to the man that I knew? And as you said, it was always a mirage.

Or maybe she was overlooking a lot of things. People are like, well, how could she have more children? And it's like, again, maybe... He is love bombing him. You believe, you believe that that initial version of the person that you met is always going to be that person.

Or maybe she was overlooking a lot of things. People are like, well, how could she have more children? And it's like, again, maybe... He is love bombing him. You believe, you believe that that initial version of the person that you met is always going to be that person.

Yeah. And it just goes back to also, I just have to say again, too, what I said before, which is that you don't know what a relationship is like until you're in it. Women especially are taught to compartmentalize and to, as everything that Kat said earlier, it's like you're pressured, especially once you have a child, to be together and to fix it.

Yeah. And it just goes back to also, I just have to say again, too, what I said before, which is that you don't know what a relationship is like until you're in it. Women especially are taught to compartmentalize and to, as everything that Kat said earlier, it's like you're pressured, especially once you have a child, to be together and to fix it.

And if that guy keeps giving you, which it sounds like he does, it's like he's such a manipulator. He's giving these women, especially Grimes, these tastes of him as they once knew him when they met.

And if that guy keeps giving you, which it sounds like he does, it's like he's such a manipulator. He's giving these women, especially Grimes, these tastes of him as they once knew him when they met.