Ted Dintersmith

And kids leave with a real sense of what they want to do and a great job path.

But they also have a really strong liberal arts program.

So it's not, again, career only.

But it's sort of like that connecting learning to the real world.

And so I think there are real opportunities there.

But I do feel like we send such a bad message.

You know, you walk around college campuses, right?

And they're like, kids will complain.

because they have to share a bathroom with three other kids.

I mean, when I went to college, you know, like, there were an entire hallway all went to one bathroom, you know, like, and it wasn't plush, and it wasn't cushy, and I think we send a message to these kids, you've made it.

You know, a school I visited and wrote about is in Washington State, Evergreen College.

I mean, it's bare bones.

You know, their campus is not... UCLA in the 80s.

Evergreen does a great job with its kids, and they've produced a number of outstanding graduates, and it's very affordable.

And also, it's very easy to get into.

And so I think that we need to make some changes, but I do think, and I think we're mostly in agreement on this.

I mean, if you can go to college, not go into enormous debt,

you know, actually have a sense of what you want to get out of it.

You know, like...

Those are great years, you know, right?