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Ted Dintersmith

πŸ‘€ Speaker
551 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And I think they're probably doing, you know, I visited every state on a trip I took, but that was 10 years ago.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

I suspect two things.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

I suspect they figured out some things like, you know, the science of reading before other schools figured that out.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

But also, like, if you make one thing you're all in focus, if you get all sorts of pats on the back for a reading score boost for fourth graders, then that's what you're going to do.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And if you just direct all in focus on those two measures, you know, you would hope you'd get some improvement.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And they've gotten some.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

But I actually thinkβ€”and this sparked me to write the bookβ€”

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

is, you know, I feel like there's a general sense of futility in the way people deal with these scores.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

You know, because it's a cardinal scale that comes from the National Center of Education Statistics, and the scale runs from 0 to 500.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And so we'll see swings of like three or four points on a scale of 0 to 500, and we impute the most significant consequence to that.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And when I interviewed the people who designed those tests, you know, it's like you realize, I think a lot of the people in these positions of authority and power are pretty math confused themselves.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And I think the people who report on it don't know how to make sense of it.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And then you'll see, and this is something most people are familiar with, you see kind of a cheap data visualization trick.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

So if you have a four-point swing on a scale of 0 to 500, show it on a compressed scale of 10-point range or 20-point range, you can make three points look catastrophic or miraculous if you show three points on a 10-point range instead of a 0 to 500-point range.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

So I pay attention to the scores.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

I feel like our testing, if we used it thoughtfully and diagnostically, would yield some information.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

But that's what we chase.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And that's how we measure the success of a school or a district or a state or even a kid.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

And my issue with that is, look at what's happened.

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Schools Are Teaching Kids the Wrong Things β€” with Ted Dintersmith

You know, like nationally, those scores have been flat for years.