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Terence Tao

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Okay.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So I've always had an amateur interest in astronomy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And so I've loved stories of how the early astronomers worked out the nature of the universe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So Kepler was building on the work of Copernicus, who was himself building on the work of Aristarchus.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So Copernicus very famously proposed the heliocentric model that instead of the planets and the sun going around the earth, that the sun was at the center of the solar system and the other planets were going around the sun.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And Copernicus proposed that the orbits of the planets were perfect circles.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And his theory kind of fit the observations that the Greeks and the Arabs and the Indians had worked out over centuries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

I think Kepler got interested.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

He learned about these theories in his studies, and he made this observation that the ratios of the size of the orbits that Kurenko predicted seemed to have some geometric meaning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

I think he started proposing that if you take, say, the orbit of, say, the Earth, and you enclose it in, I think, maybe a cube, the outer sphere that encloses the cube almost matched perfectly the orbit of Mars and so forth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And there were six planets known at the time, five gaps between them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And there were five perfect platonic solids, the cube, the tetrahedron, isocletron, octahedron, and dodecahedron.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And so he had this theory, which he thought was absolutely beautiful, that he could inscribe these platonic solids between the spheres of the planets.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And it seemed to fit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And it seemed to be to him like, you know, God's design of the planets was matching this mathematical perfection of the platonic solids.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So he needed data to confirm this theory.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And at the time, there was only one really high-quality data set almost in existence, which was the... So Tycho Brahe, this Danish astronomer, very wealthy, eccentric astronomer, had managed to convince the Danish government to fund this extremely expensive observatory, this, in fact, an entire island, where he had taken decades of observations of all the planets, Mars, Jupiter, every night, at least every night for which the weather was clear.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

with the naked eye, actually.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

He was the last of the naked eye astronomers.

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