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Terence Tao

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

So it's like within a day or two, we had updated our proof.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

Of course, this is a very quick process.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

You make a change, there are 10 things now that don't work.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

For each one, you make a change, and now there's five more things that don't work, but the process converges much more smoothly than with pen and paper,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

Yeah, so the proofs are longer, but each individual piece is easier to read.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

So if you take a math paper and you jump to page 27 and you look at paragraph 6 and you have a line of text of math, I often can't read it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

immediately because it assumes various definitions, which I have to go back and maybe on 10 pages earlier, this was defined.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

And the proof is scattered all over the place.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

And you basically are forced to read fairly sequentially.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

It's not like, say, a novel where in theory, you could open up a novel halfway through and start reading.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

There's a lot of context

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

But with a proof in Lean, if you put your cursor on a line of code, every single object there, you can hover over it and it will say what it is, where it came from, where it was justified.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

You can trace things back much easier than flipping through a math paper.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

So one thing that Lean really enables is actually collaborating on proofs at a really atomic scale that you really couldn't do in the past.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

So traditionally with pen and paper, when you want to collaborate with another mathematician,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

Either you do it at a blackboard where you can really interact, but if you're doing it sort of by email or something, basically, yeah, you have to segment it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

So I'm going to finish section three, you do section four, but you can't really sort of work on the same thing collaboratively at the same time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

But with Lean, you can be trying to formalize some portion of the proof and say, I got stuck at line 67 here.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

I need to prove this thing, but it doesn't quite work.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 – Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI

Here's the three lines of code I'm having trouble with.