Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So we don't have this tradition as in the sciences of lead author and second author and so forth, which we're proud of.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
We make all the authors equal status, but it doesn't quite scale to this size.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So a decade ago, I was involved in these things called polymath projects.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
It was the crowdsourcing mathematics, but without the lean component.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So it was limited by, you needed a human moderator to actually check that all the contributions coming in were actually valid.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
And this was a huge bottleneck, actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
But still, we had projects that were, you know, 10 authors or so.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
But we had decided at the time...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
not to try to decide who did what, but to have a single pseudonym.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So we created this fictional character called DHJ Polymath in the spirit of Bobakhee.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
Bobakhee is the pseudonym for a famous group of mathematicians in the 20th century.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
And so the paper was authored on the pseudonym.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So none of us got the author credit.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
This actually turned out to be
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
Not so great for a couple of reasons.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So one is that if you actually wanted to be considered for tenure or whatever, you could not use this paper as you're submitted as one of your publications because you didn't have the formal author credit.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
But the other thing that we've recognized much later is that when people referred to these projects, they naturally referred to the most famous person who was involved in the project.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So this was Tim Gower's project, this was Terence Tao's project, and not mention the other 19 or whatever people that were involved.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
So we're trying something different this time around where everyone's an author, but we will have an appendix with this matrix, and we'll see how that works.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#472 β Terence Tao: Hardest Problems in Mathematics, Physics & the Future of AI
Yeah, the difficulty increases exponentially with the number of steps involved in the proof.