Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
It was just all driven by experiment.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And it took Newton a century later to give a theory that explained all three laws at once.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
Traditionally, when we talk about the history of science, idea generation has always been kind of the prestige part of science.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
So, I mean, a scientific problem comes with, there's many steps, you know, you have to identify a problem and then you have to identify a good problem to work on, a fruitful problem.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And then you need to collect data.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
You need to figure out a strategy to analyze the data, to make a hypothesis.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And at this point, you need to propose a good hypothesis.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And then you need to validate.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And then you need to write things up and explain.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
There's a dozen different components.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
But the ones we celebrate are these Eureka genius moments of idea generation.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And so Kepler certainly had to, as you say, cycle through many ideas and several which didn't work.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And I bet many that he didn't even publish at all because they just didn't fit.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And that's an important part of the process, trying all kinds of random things and seeing if they worked.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
But as you say, they have to be matched by an equal amount of verification, otherwise it's slop.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
We celebrate Kepler, but we should also celebrate Brahe for his assiduous data collection, which was 10 times more precise than any previous observation.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And that extra decimal point of accuracy was actually essential for Kepler to get his results.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
And he was using Euclidean geometry and the most advanced mathematics he could use at the time to match his models with the data.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
So all aspects had to be in play, the data and the theory and the hypothesis generation.
Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery
I'm not sure nowadays that hypothesis generation is the bottleneck anymore.