Terry Gross

His background is big deals in real estate and finance.

And Jared as well, I mean, he played a role in diplomacy in the Abraham Accords, but he doesn't have a diplomacy background.

And they both have conflicts of interest in the Middle East.

I love that headline, by the way.

What about Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State?

Where is he on this?

What about J.D.

Vance?

Is he more averse to foreign intervention?

So let's talk about conflicts of interest because Steve Woodcoff and Jared Kushner, who are negotiating with Iran, both have business interests in the Middle East.

Do you want to run through some of them?

Well, let's take another short break here.

If you're just joining us, my guest is David Sanger.

He's a national security and White House correspondent for The New York Times.

We'll be right back.

This is Fresh Air.

Give us a brief sense of what you think the best case and worst case scenario is if we do bomb Iran and whether this could lead to a wider war in the Middle East and what that might look like.

Do you think that this could lead, if we do attack Iran, that this could lead to a wider regional war?

David, before you have to go, any final thoughts you want to add?

David Sanger, thank you so much for talking with us.