Terry Gross

Congress hasn't stood up to him.

Republicans in Congress haven't stood up to him.

He appointed a majority of the Supreme Court.

But there are two other states where they didn't stop him.

Which case are you referring to?

The places where he sent in the National Guard against the governor's will.

Well, we need to take a short break here.

So let me reintroduce you.

If you're just joining us, my guests are Emmanuel Malion, who is a professor at the University of Minnesota Law School, and Elizabeth Goytin, who's a senior director at the Brennan Center for Justice.

We'll be right back after a short break.

This is Fresh Air.

Emmanuel, I want to get back to you.

We've talked about how, you know, what can be called racial profiling has been used in Minneapolis to stop people of color.

And I'm wondering if you think there's an element of white nationalism behind some of the thinking here.

Because white nationalists don't like people of color in the US.

They're afraid of losing the white majority.

They're afraid of, you know, quote, losing control of our country.

And I know you've studied white nationalism.

So I'm interested in what you think.

Before we wrap, I want to ask you a question about Greenland, which Trump has threatened to take over.