Terry Gross

You know, he's asking Eddie, who's a friend or an acquaintance, who knows.

The main character, he doesn't have a car.

He needs a ride.

He doesn't have any cash.

He needs the money to pull this off.

I'm skeptical anything's ever going to happen.

He's just like a loser who's kind of losing dreams.

Yeah, I think the trumpet was controversial initially, like, do we really want a trumpet on this?

But I was thinking, you know, Born to Run is released in 1975, Chinatown, the movie Chinatown comes out in 74.

And the main instrument on the fantastic score of Chinatown is a trumpet.

And I thought, in a way, it's a kind of echo of Chinatown in that respect.

Well, we need to take another break here.

So let me reintroduce you.

If you're just joining us, my guest is Peter Ames Carlin.

His new book is called Tonight in Jungleland, The Making of Born to Run.

We'll be right back.

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This is fresh air.

Let's get back to my interview with Peter Ames Carlin, author of the book Tonight in Jungleland, The Making of Born to Run.

I spoke to him in August.