Terry Gross

You know, we got to move now.

And Trump was saying that, you know, their ability was obliterated.

So how do you make sense of this?

So what is this about?

Why are we possibly on the brink of war with Iran?

Especially without the consent of Congress.

Well, when you have so many like ships and missiles and weapons in striking distance of Iran, Iran would have every reason to perceive that as a threat.

The deal that Trump called the worst deal ever, and he pulled out of it right after he was elected.

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

The way you describe the rubble over the deeply buried uranium in Iran, it sounds like they'd have a lot of trouble moving forward with their nuclear weapons program.

So it really doesn't pose a threat right now, and they have no missiles that can reach the U.S.

So am I summing that up accurately?

But we're not talking about those missiles.

Trump is talking about nuclear.

While we're talking about nuclear weapons, in one article you asked, like, is the era of nuclear weapons treaties over?

Because one with Russia just expired.

Can you talk a little bit about where Russia and China are in terms of nuclear weapons?

Let's take a short break here.

If you're just joining us, my guest is New York Times White House and national security correspondent David Sanger.

Our interview was recorded yesterday.