Tess Wilkinson-Ryan

And you think, was it really worth all this?

Yeah.

Settled for a little bit.

You know, one of the interesting kinds of cases that I come across, usually at the end of a contracts course, are these cases where both people think that they were scammed.

Like they both think the other one.

So they're litigating and everyone's mad because oftentimes it's because they disagree on what the contract actually meant.

And once you get everybody, once you have both sides insisting that the other party is the scammer, it is so hard to untangle that kind of a case and it becomes incredibly expensive because both parties are sort of willing to litigate to the hilt.

Exactly.

I think people even have a sense that they're supposed to fight back.

If you think about the idea of avenging your honor...

I think that sometimes people even feel like they have to fight back to save face, because if they sort of just take it, it's going to make them seem weak.

And so it's not only that they have a strong emotion, but they feel like, well, I think I'm supposed to do this thing, which is to make sure I don't seem weak to others, even though it turns out to be incredibly costly in other ways.

Thank you so much, Mike.

This has been such a pleasure.