Thomas Drance

And especially early on, like some space to make some mistakes and figure out what you did wrong and, you know, empower the right people and figure out who like, sometimes it takes a year or two sitting around a boardroom with a team to know whose opinions are the ones that are most often right.

Like who's banging the table for Benson and who's banging the table for Valander.

And then you'd learn over time to listen to the Benson person.

Who's saying, how could we have anticipated Chatfield?

And then you know not to listen to that person.

I'm sorry.

I actually do agree with you.

I don't know why I got this in a joking way.

It's because you brought too much gravitas.

You threw me off with the... You don't chase a cup.

You build for a cup.

I also think Carolina winning with a six foot center and then a five, eight center playing the most minutes for them.

Five on five in the playoffs.

I feel like the ship has sailed in terms of the teams hoping that Bjork might be available, like 11, 12, and they can trade up for him.

Like, I'm sorry to those teams, but I think that, I think that ship has, or that train has left the station.

And, Jerome, while...

Our regular listeners will accuse me of indulging in more Vigo Bjork propaganda.

I do want to note that you also have a center second on your list, and that's Caleb Malhotra, head of the two wingers.

Malhotra frequently connected to the Vancouver Canucks, the team that is also going to be coached by his father, Manny.

What can you tell our listeners about Caleb and why your group is so high on him?