Thomas Zimmer

as a totally normal president, a totally normal administration. But we will need them to be clear about, no, these are dangerous, fundamentally anti-democratic forces that are in charge of American government right now. And we need to think clearly and grapple seriously with how do you deal with that?

And I don't think the right way to deal with that is just signal normalcy and pretend, oh, we're in a normal transition.

And I don't think the right way to deal with that is just signal normalcy and pretend, oh, we're in a normal transition.

And I don't think the right way to deal with that is just signal normalcy and pretend, oh, we're in a normal transition.

Who knows, right? Who knows? Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you.

Who knows, right? Who knows? Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you.

Who knows, right? Who knows? Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you.