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So I'll call him Miss Aponte.

But obviously in John as well because of his success as a head coach and the fact that –

Just some of the words, the way that they've been wordsmithing this, this is normal in football operations.

It feels like we get obsessed with titles, but the reality is it's always collaborative.

Yes.

The only thing that matters really is who gets the final say.

If they have a debate about who to take at number five, and now I think we have some sound of Joe talking about them not being outside of thinking, let's move back.

Get some more assets, whatever it may be.

But who ultimately makes that decision?

And I think that's where you have what you're talking about, Sean.

Maybe it gets a little murky.

It does.

Who's in charge of what?

By the way, also, Joe Shane and Donna Ponte have worked together before.

They were both in Miami.

So, that helps.

It obviously helps.

And it's not something that people will think about.

They'll think about, oh, this could be...

was right for the organization.