Tim Byers

Right now, autonomous driving is this big, massive thing.

All the roads have to be mapped.

We have to be able to have vehicles that can go anywhere autonomously.

I think this

breaks down to very purpose-built use cases.

And it doesn't always have to be a car, it can be short hops.

So, like, cities can have autonomous vehicles that get you places.

So, like, if you have, for example, a downtown civic transportation system, might be light rail.

Would that light rail be autonomous?

I think it would be.

Would you have short-haul trains that also are autonomous?

Yeah, I could absolutely see that, of course.

Just think about something that is predefined, purpose-built.

Wherever there is a predefined route, I think autonomy

really has a chance to take over that use case.

If it's wide open and really hard to define, autonomy is going to be harder to disrupt that particular use case.

But there's plenty that are predefined, Travis, and I think autonomy takes those over.

Maybe.

But I've got a simple phrase here for you, Travis, on making money in a sector like this.

Picks and shovels, baby.