Tim Miller

That's really what it was called, the Klonvocation?

Jesus Christ.

I guess the 26 is before Lindbergh.

It does, yeah.

Fast forward to today and the echoes of MAGA, there are just these kind of clownish, almost absurdist representations of the jingoism back at those celebrations as well.

I don't know what could possibly stand up to the MMA fight that we're going to have at the White House.

And I just kind of wonder when you look at that and think about that, how, you know, an AI at EGLOD would cover that in an update to this book 50 years from now.

On the tricentennial, you know, and like whether that, how that fits in the timeline that you're writing about.

And FBI agents.

We're doing it for FBI agents as well.

Yeah, it's interesting to say that.

My producer flagged me when we were writing this.

We had a big all-staff meeting in D.C.

last week.

She saw somebody in the mall, was walking around the mall, somebody wearing this America 250 years of freedom shirt.

You see this a lot, right?

And so I'm curious how you kind of process that, right?

Because on the one hand...

I guess you could look at it three ways.

So you could look at it out of hopefulness, like this is freedom, we're aspiring to freedom, like, you know, you can kind of in the way that Obama kind of talked about, you know, the founding, you think about it like that, you think about it out of just ignorance, right, that this didn't happen.